Rolf Harris has been charged

[TensionWheelsCoolHeels]

Can't link as on phone but just got a news flash saying he's been charged with 9 counts of indecent assault, and 4 to do with indecent images.

[Animation]

Yes Deanrose - what was all that about. Me think you protest too much

Anyway - he's guilty ...

[normalishdude]

Guilty!

[SoleSource]

I just want the truth.

[biryani]

deanrose steady on!

You're right, though. Innocent till proven guilty.

[deanrose1973]

You people are sick in the head.

There have been thousands of INNOCENT people charged with all sorts of crimes from STEALING to MURDER do you think the prosecution had good reason to bring charges? YES

The trial will prove whether Mr Harris is INNOCENT or GUILTY just because there is a case to answer doesn't mean Harris has committed the crimes he has been accused of.

People like the ones above who point fingers should be put on trial you are NASTY pieces of work and don't deserve the freedoms you seem to flaunt and dismiss on daily basis.

I hope Mr Harris is innocent but the jury and judge will tell us the TRUTH

[josywells]

I have been watching Rolf Harris for 35 years have admired him for all he has achieved. I feel violated and cheated that all this time I have been admiring such a person. This has affected me quite badly, I worry that I don't have a good judge of a persons character. In fact if he is found guilty....... it is going to take me a very long time to get over this.

[DebbieM1]

Yep, bit gutted about this. A bit of a legend to so many of us. Trying to stay hopeful, he's been charged so far - not found guilty. At the mo he's still vehemently denying it. Not holding my breath though, they must have good evidence.

[Pan]

and to you.

[AnyFucker]

Good night Pan

[Pan]

oh whatever AF - it's the same language, pretty straight forward stuff. It just seems you don't like your view to be analysed over this stuff.
night.

[AnyFucker]

You didn't quite get me, Pan

I used the word "vernacular" to highlight the fact you are speaking a different language to me. The Oxford dictionary is your friend here.

MLC or a touch of dementia is a proposed "explanation" for alleged child abuse. I get it now.

And it's still wrong.

[Pan]

I didn't dodge it AF, don't be silly. And it's 'diction', not a choice of vernacular.
RH may well offer them as part of an explanation, as some posters have here. But as I have said, but you seem to be not wishing to read, no-one is victim-blaming. You've made that one up yourself.

[AnyFucker]

it was a straightforward question and you dodged it

I shall even use your vernacular if you like

do you think "midlife crisis" or a "touch of dementia" is a "reason" for allegedly abusing a child ?

I can't word it any other way without becoming completely unintelligible

[Pan]

other things on AF

[AnyFucker]

you didn't answer my question, pan

[Pan]

yeah me too AF. Often you talk sense, and then sometimes....

Briefly? Excuse is to shift blame, explain is to accept blame and 'reason' it out. No-one here has 'excused' RH, afaik.

[AnyFucker]

yes, Pan, it feels like I have been reading you for years

I agree with you some of the time. On this, I do not.

out of interest, do you accept "mid life crisis" as either an excuse or an explanation for allegedly abusing a child, whatever your own personal definitions of those may be?

[Tortington]

dya know what, i can see the seedy fucks that constitute the TV personalities of my youth , but rolph being charged has been a shock

[CaptainKirksNipples]

Someone near me was found guilty of making images, he cut and paste a little girls face he knew onto a downloaded picture of child abuse. I doubt he is in trouble for drawing dodgy cartoons!!

[Pan]

No AF - that's just fairly bollocks wrong. Have you not read anything I've posted over the years?
Excuse and explain have v different weights and implications.

These processes (such as RH) are highly educative, and yay for that. The incidence of 'historic' allegations have mushromed over the last year. And RHs charging should accelerate that, one hopes.

[AnyFucker]

If you excuse the offender then it follows there is no victim

throw all of the cases out of court then

[Pan]

I don;t think anyone has done those thingsAF - we've had some water-thin explanations - but again none of those have targeted the alleged victims.

[AnyFucker]

if you excuse/ apologise for the offender, then what are you left with ?

[Pan]

iirc no-one on this thread has referred to victim-blaming - that issue is quite separate to the sense of being expressed over RH being charged.

[georgedawes]

"just world" shit isn't it

good for me indeed