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Speedboat accident in Padstow

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LittleAbruzzenBear · 06/05/2013 12:30

I don't know if the mother was a MNer, but I am hoping she pulls through with her other DCs and so sorry to hear she lost her husband and daughter, Emily. I know words are useless, but I am thinking of them. It's all so sad and awful.

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teddyandgypsy · 13/05/2013 11:21

What a strange comment. Where exactly did I say 'any' outing? Where exactly did I refer to sleeping in a house? It is common sense that speeding across the waves in what is effectively an open-topped, open-sided high powered sports car is slightly more dangerous than going to the zoo.

teddyandgypsy · 13/05/2013 11:21

Great lets disagree. That's what it's about - but why the sarcasm? Is this how this board operates?

pooka · 13/05/2013 11:26

!. Show some compassion

I don't think you were there so attributing blame is premature and distasteful
Look at your posts last night.

snowballinashoebox · 13/05/2013 11:52

I have lost a close family member in a accident at sea. They had every qualification that the RYA could throw at them as well as being a very good sailor.

If I had come across a forum discussing the blame game when, as yet nothing is known I would have been very distressed.

My thoughts to the family and the horror that they are living through.

janey1234 · 13/05/2013 12:00

Totally distasteful thread. I met this man once, and spent an evening out with him and two other friends. All I remember was how much fun he was, and how he glowed when he talked about his wife and children. It was clear to a stranger how much he adored them all. It's an utter tragedy and I can't quite believe how many people are keen to pass judgement on such a recent event which has sadly touched so many lives.

Scruffey · 13/05/2013 12:13

Agree with janey, this thread makes shocking reading.

NorthernLurker · 13/05/2013 13:28

Teddy your sanctimony is quite staggering and you haven't answered my question. Did you mean to name change when you posted agreeing with yourself?

janey68 · 17/05/2013 06:55

Well, the investigators have confirmed that the kill cord was not being worn. So whoever was driving the boat - in fact I would say both adults on board, because surely even as an adult passenger you should know it should be worn- failed in their responsibility there.

Lazyjaney · 17/05/2013 07:14

"Well, the investigators have confirmed that the kill cord was not being worn"

As every sailor on this thread strongly suspected, I'm sure.

Let's hope this leads to a fairly major revision of the requirements for taking a powerful boat onto the water.

janey68 · 17/05/2013 07:44

Well, I won't hold my breath... It should be compulsory already to wear the safety device because of the risk to swimmers and other people in boats. It's compulsory to wear car seat belts when they are provided and there is a much lower risk of failure to wear one causing harm to others. I hope some of those who've accused people on here of being nasty and judgemental can see how irresponsible it was not to use the 'kill cord'. (Not that I'm condoning anything nasty or distasteful because of course it's a tragedy, and I also didn't like the conjecturiing before the situation was confirmed by investigators. But now it has been confirmed, surely everyone can see this was hugely irresponsible and could have killed many more people?)

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 17/05/2013 08:25

Puzzling that they have bee unable to confirm who was at the helm, surely the surviving adult and children ought to be able to remember that?

ShotgunNotDoingThePans · 17/05/2013 08:26

I don't think it's nasty or distasteful to speculate on non use of safety features. I suspect most sailors on this thread have witnessed dangerous power-fuelled activity on the water.

Lack of seatbelts/ski helmets is also frequently discussed when tragedies occur.

I for one have a deep dislike of speedboats/jetskis and the like. Okay, a windsurfer can run into/over a swimmer, but if it's windy enough to produce a speed likely to cause serious injury, it's very unlikely that there'll be swimmers in the water anyway.

And yes, you can buy a dinghy and sail off with it, but if you capsize/fall overboard it's potentially tragic for you/your passengers, but the vessel is unlikely to career round in circles causing god knows what devastation.

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 17/05/2013 08:32

Shotgun precisely - it is bad enough to do something that endangers yourself - eg not wearing a ski helmet, as that has a knock-on effect on emergency services etc, and quite another to put at others at risk of death or serious injury - eg not using a kill cord or driving whilst drunk - both equally unacceptable behaviours.

NorthernLurker · 17/05/2013 08:32

I expect they do know who was driving but have decided not to make that public. I don't think today's announcement changes anything. It was an accident. Like nearly any accident it could have been prevented but it wasn't and the results are awful. To stand over the dead bodies of a father and daughter with your arms folded and your lips pursed saying 'See, see it was their fault' IS distasteful.

FasterStronger · 17/05/2013 08:51

what shotgun says.

its is v important to understand what went wrong - so that the accident is not repeated.

the parents were complacent and did not use simple safety equipment. my family has always taken part in part in sports which can kill you if you do it wrong - so you learn what the risks are and manage them using the safety equipment.

you cannot avoid real bad luck but you can avoid being stupid.

compassion is not pretending what the parents here did was ok because the best possible outcome now is every driver who used to not bother with the killcord, remembers this accident and why it happened.

allowing this to repeat itself is distasteful.

specialsubject · 17/05/2013 09:46

it doesn't really help to confirm who was driving (even though the survivors will know) - the driver is either dead or suffering enough. Even if it was one of the kids, the adults bear the responsibility for not attaching the cord.

but this DOES need to be shouted about, as others note maybe it will prevent another accident like this from the 'it won't happen to me' brigade.

I'm afraid that people are often (not always) to blame for what happens to them. If more people realised this we might get less legal action.

MrsSalvoMontalbano · 17/05/2013 09:58

If the driver is dead he cannot be prosecuted. If the driver is alive you cannot just decide 'they have suffered enough', the judicial process has to take it course. Otherwise anyone who causes injury to others , or who breaks the law, would not be prosecuted.

pooka · 17/05/2013 13:30

I agree with northernlurker.

specialsubject · 17/05/2013 13:54

I hadn't thought of that point.

I am guessing, and only guessing, that the dead man was driving. I almost hope so.

so sad, and so utterly avoidable.

teddyandgypsy · 17/05/2013 16:10

The only people passing judgement are the investigators and, as I predicted,they have found that the driver was not attached to the Kill Cord. I don't care how much fun this man was on a night out, he did not ensure the safety of his family. I am wondering who was driving - did he let one of the children have the wheel?

Utmost hypocrisy to condemn my posts. I have nothing but sympathy for the family but facts are facts and this is an all too predictable scenario. Lets hope that it will serve as a warning to others.

teddyandgypsy · 17/05/2013 16:11

For the second time, No. Why would I? And, by the way, I am not the only person pointing out the true facts of this appalling incident

teddyandgypsy · 17/05/2013 16:13

Absolutely right and good to hear a voice of sanity instead of all this sympathetic hypocrisy. Of course it is essential to establish who was driving. Two people died. Additionally, there will be insurance issues and I can guess that this man carried heavy life insurance. The company concerned in any payout will want and need to know the exact causes, including the possibility of any negligence. Brushing what happened under the carpet does not help anybody, BUT being honest and open about what happened may just prevent such a futile tragedy happening again.

NorthernLurker · 17/05/2013 16:48

I don't think anybody wants this to be covered up. But neither should their private tragedy be salivated over by sanctimonious people who aren't directly involved.

Teddy - why do you always post again agreeing with yourself?

frissonpink · 17/05/2013 16:52

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TSSDNCOP · 17/05/2013 16:59

Frisson do you know, I believe yours is one of the most spiteful, snide, cruel posts I've ever read on MN.

It probably won't be hard for this poor woman to figure out who you are.

Shame on you.

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