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I'm disgusted by Osbourne jumping on the Phillpott bandwagon created by the DM

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aufaniae · 04/04/2013 14:18

So, yesterday there was outrage after the pictures of dead children were used in the most cynical way by the Daily Mail to sell the idea that welfare "scroungers" are evil, with Phillpott branded a "vile product" of the benefit system by the DM.

What's our government's response today?

George Osborne, when asked about the claims, said a debate was needed about whether the state should "subsidise lifestyles like that". link

To add insult to injury, he was visiting Derby when he said this (which is where the children lived and died).

How fucking insensitive can you get?

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crossparsley · 04/04/2013 18:34

peneloPeePitstop that's so horrible. I think you are doing brilliantly and I don't do hugs but I want to give you a ciuddle and make you tea/lunch/breakfast so where are you? As we get closer we can go PM

OhLori · 04/04/2013 18:34

Not really. They are legitimate questions. Why should the state support him (or anyone) fathering 11 kids on benefits. Or his wife or girlfriend having 5 or 6 children each, when they could not hope to support them but only bring up in the worst poverty, with other people basically footing the bill.

Though I think it is a separate question than this monstrous man, nevertheless normal people have been questioning this for years, but they have been silenced because its not right-on to question this. Apparently there are over 40,000 families with 5 or more children on benefits in this country. To my mind they are a kick-in-the-teeth to people who genuinely need and deserve benefits.

Twentytotwo · 04/04/2013 18:39

I would imagine there are 'over 40,000 families with 5 or more children on benefits in this country.' Child benefit for starters. If you have two parents who work fulltime they'll still be entitled to child benefit and maybe tax credits. If they live somewhere like London they might also be entitled to some housing benefit. At the same time, they'd be paying income tax, national insurance etc.

Laska42 · 04/04/2013 18:43

I was totally sickened... there is only one word for Osborne and IDS and Cameron and the rest of them and it rhymes with twunt..

Phillpott is a psychopath.... but hes going to have a bloody hard time of it in Wakefield.. Good.

Dawndonna · 04/04/2013 18:48

Ann Widdecombe stated on Newsnight last night that benefits did not have a bearing on the Philpott case.

A debate is being had. It's making a number of families homeless and many disabled people scared, worried, confused and in some cases suicidal.
Osbourne is an arse of the highest order and is trying to further divide this country.
Philpott was a narcissistic pyschopath who would have been exactly that, benefits or not.

Dawndonna · 04/04/2013 18:49

not that many with 3 kids or over

merrymouse · 04/04/2013 18:50

And even assuming the 40000 parents are all feckless and work shy, you have to explain how you propose that their children be fed if you want to cut benefits further (which presumably are already cut anyway by the benefits cap).

Welovegrapes · 04/04/2013 18:50

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Owllady · 04/04/2013 18:51

I think we need to start a campaign Stage 1?

Dozer · 04/04/2013 18:52

Shame on Osbourne for those comments.

PeneloPeePitstop · 04/04/2013 18:53

Without being too specific I live in Francis Maude's constituency.

Oh, and I want to make the point that the Philpott family were on in work benefits. Mick couldn't claim JSA as his wife and mistress worked to support him. He creamed their money off them, emotionally and sexually abused them. Lets ace it both women and the kids were pawns for him to control.

So let's abolish in work benefits, yeah?

No.

PeneloPeePitstop · 04/04/2013 18:55

Plus, Mick Philpott attempted his first murder in 1978 when serving in the Army.

Does that make him a 'product of the Forces'? No?

TheCalvert · 04/04/2013 18:58

Aufaniae

Maybe I'm too much of an idealist. I think the man is scum, not because he was claiming benefits, but because he murdered his children whilst trying to gain custody of them. Those poor, poor children.

I don't agree with the circumstances under Osborne's comments appear to have been made, but ideally the tragic events surrounding the children's death could and SHOULD open a debate as to how victims of abuse should be helped by the Government, to assess how benefits are calculated on that basis. I don't think anyone would seriously agree with family benefits being paid to an abusive partner to the detriment of any children within the relationship.

I perhaps live in hope

PeneloPeePitstop · 04/04/2013 19:01

Fat lot of help women enduring DV will get when Women's Aid and Refuge have had funding cut...

Owllady · 04/04/2013 19:03

what do they care penelo when hey have taken away child benefit to those whose partners earn over a certain limit even if they earn nothing, an allowance that was for children and kept in place because of financial abuse against women (and that's who is mainly affects) They couldn't give a shit

tilder · 04/04/2013 19:05

The daily mail is a poisonous rag (check), Osborne is a twunt (check) and the seven pits would be insufficient for philpott (check).

Anybody who genuinely believes the welfare state fueled philpotts behaviour probably doesn't understand how someone so controlling operates.

It is deeply disturbing that anyone thinks there is a link between maximising benefits and causing the deaths of children. Do these people generalise this across all benefits recipients or just a select few?

PeneloPeePitstop · 04/04/2013 19:07

Try all, tilder.
I shouldn't be paid Carers allowance, apparently, and should be in a gutter with my defectives.

SherbetVodka · 04/04/2013 19:11

Some of the press coverage makes you wonder whether they see the Philpotts' lifestyle and receipt of benefits as a bigger scandal than the deaths of the children.

crossparsley · 04/04/2013 19:25

PPP, I'm t hree hours away from you so not much use tonight. PM me maybe? In the meantime, read and re-read this thread and please know that no-one worth knowing thinks anything bad of you for receiving benefits

Meglet · 04/04/2013 19:31

I'm with marmalade on this one. I'm not convinced it's coincidence this case finished the same week as the benefit cuts were announced. Funny handshakes and rolled up trousers could be at work.

Dozer · 04/04/2013 19:42

I know tilder.

6 children lived in a household with an abusive father, then killed. social services have questions to answer.

organisations that help women leave abusive relationships have had funding cut and refuges are closing.

More children in poverty. Food banks.

But Osbourne's comment is that "state funding" for "lifestyles" should be considered.

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen · 04/04/2013 19:43

I love how the benefits-bashing astroturfers always say stuff like "normal people have been questioning this for years, but they have been silenced because its not right-on"

If they have been 'silenced' I haven't noticed. Bollocks about scroungers and strivers, flatscreen TVs and council houses all over the papers, the internet, comedy shows on TV. Silenced? Yeah, right.
I am a 'normal person'. I grew up in a council house and attended a state school. I earn about the national average income. I pay tax. I have a mortgage on a house close to national average value. Married, one child. I have been fortunate enough never to have to have needed to claim benefits, other than Child Benefit and the family element of Child Tax Credit, which the current government took away from me. My good fortune could easily change as cuts by said govt could easily cost me my job next year.

I don't think benefits are a problem. I think Osborne is scum and the Daily Mail is a vile, vile paper. I have complained to the PCC about yesterday's cover and I am encouraging everyone I know to do the same. So who the fuck are these normal people I keep hearing about, then? Whoever they are, they don't represent me, any more than the so-called 'Taxpayers' Alliance' (fucking cheek) represent me.

tilder · 04/04/2013 19:45

It's pretty unpleasant to use what is for those children and their wider family an absolute tragedy to further a political ideology based on the success of the haves at the expense of the have nots.

Ppp am so sorry if this has upset you. Some people genuinely seem to lack all empathy or realisation that everyones lives and needs are different.

flippinada · 04/04/2013 19:57

Yes Return they are very vociferous considering how scared they are of speaking their minds.

Surely they're not scared of liberals, who we all know are a bunch of namby pamby pc gorn mad softies ?

Wannabestepfordwife · 04/04/2013 20:03

aufanie totally agree with every think you've said on this post and a lot of others IMO you would be brilliant in politics.

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