Vicky Pryce is guilty

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The most furious, scorned Exes who care nothing for the effects of their hellish pride and anger on their families are not usually women. It's just that we have a different vocabularly for them.

Indeed linerunner. Family annihilators, I believe they get called.

Of course that's portrayed as a tragedy rather than cold blooded murder.

yes of course there's a presumption of poor little victim. It's the old "all men are bastards, all women are victims" attitude that is rife on mn. man commits crime, he's a bastard and should be sent down, woman commits crime, must be a victim of abuse/suffering from mental illness and deserving of sympathy.

if she was a victim of abuse, don't you think there would have been a lot more examples which she could have taken to the papers, which wouldn't have implicated her in a crime and seen her go to jail?

And to connect this vile woman with the "we believe you" line is frankly disgusting.

Domestic abuse also includes non-physical violence which is widely acknowledged to be at least as damaging as the physical kind.

No it's not disgusting at all. Posting "poor little victim" in speech marks is disgusting. No one thinks all men are bastards on MN or anywhere else. The bastard ones are bastards. Lots of them are rather nice.

look, she wasn't a victim of domestic abuse. She used it as an excuse to try to get away with a crime. To paint this woman as a victim is an insult to the genuine victims of domestic abuse, which she is not.

You don't know that. Only that she failed to establish it beyond reasonable doubt.

I am a victim of domestic abuse, in case you missed me saying so. And I was very very good at hiding it. I'd had a lot of practice.

wannaBe, I just I dislike the cliche 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned', and using Vicky Pryce to demonstrate something which is a falsehood anyway.

NONE of us knows this! She might for all we know.

I was merely pointing out to Karlos that domestic abuse is not necessarily physical. Saying that DV is not necessarily physical does not negate your experiences. My father, fwiw, was very much abusive to my mother but he never hit her. He completely deconstructed her personality though.

actually, to put "poor little victim" is entirely appropriate when said "little victim" used the card to try to get away with a crime.

If CH was a domestic abuser she would have had many other examples with which to go to the press, but she didn't. She instead decided to try and bring him down and at the same time implicate an innocent party, and all in thcould have been aborted. If anything she is also an emotional abuser.e name of revenge, with no thought to what it would do to her children when she revealed the fact that one of them

X-posts with Chub and linerunner.

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what I was trying to say was that she gave no thought to the emotional impact of her child finding out that his father wanted him aborted, and this in my opinion makes her an emotional abuser

Oh it's a "card" she played now. Are you playing lingo bingo or something?

Interacting with you is not good for my blood pressure so I'm going to stop now. I still believe her.

Let me see, trying to coerce someone into having an abortion isn't abusive? Even thinking that it would be OK to dump shit on someone from a great height by putting their name on an official piece of paper, instead of simply taking responsibility for your own actions?

Listening to that telephone conversation in which she is trying to get him to admit to the points thing, it seems clear to me that he knew she was recording him, knew she was out to get him. He is in no way above board in that conversation- a skilful dodger. I can imagine (pure conjecture here) that he is like this in his whole life- sneaky, slippery and self-interested, with an entirely ruthless streak.

Points on a licence is chump change compared to an abortion. If he was capable of pressuring her to have an abortion I suspect he was well able to pressure her to do his bidding in the driving matter.

Their poor kids. Now both parents are going to jail and hate each other.

I did feel really sorry for her when I heard the verdict. Chris Huhne sounds such an arse and I bet she was pressured and didn't know really what to do. It's clear she felt guilty about it over the years but maybe didn't appreciate how seriously the law took it. Silly her for blabbing to the press.

I loved Toynbee's take on this:

Basically that VP was stupid to get caught in her moment of revenge in 2011.

Not for one moment does she think VP or CH did anything wrong swapping points in 2003!

I can see them both getting 9 months.

I'd have so much more sympathy for the alleged coercion defence if she hadn't first tried to get CH tried by the papers and had, instead gone straight to the police. She could claim anything to the papers and they wouldn't have wanted proof, just a juicy story. The police are a different matter.

In the end she couldn't even convince the jury that it is possible she was coerced because if she had, they couldn't have found her guilty. She didn't have to prove that the abuse was beyond reasonable doubt. The court had to find her guilty of perverting the course of justice beyond reasonable doubt. There was no doubt as far as the jury was concerned. She could even persuade the jury that she might have been abused.

Sorry - couldn't even persuade not could.

I can't believe CH is getting flamed for telling his wife he thought she should have an abortion. I don't really know anything much about them but I think they have quite a few children. It doesn't sound particularly 'out there' for him to think that they couldn't cope with 6 children, or however many they have, and to suggest that she consider a termination. It is an option, it doesn't sound like the baby was planned. The fact that she didn't have one then despite her alleging that he 'pressured' her suggests he wasn't able to bully her that much..?

The bit that gets me is she tried to resurrect some almost dead and enormously old-fashioned defence of marital coercion despite having been happy to be feted for years as the capable woman in a man's world.

How many of us behave the same at work as we do at home? I have what is perceived as a 'high-powered job'. At work I am viewed as hard and demanding to work for. I work in a completely male dominated environment and the persona I have had to adopt gets me through each day and helps me to be viewed as being very good at my job.

I could not be more different in my private life. I have huge sympathy for Vicky Pryce. Huhne is an utterly nasty peace of work.

Posters who are saying that she told her son that his father wanted him aborted aren't correct. She did have an abortion and said in evidence that she felt hugely pressurised by Huhne to do so.

"Points on a licence is chump change compared to an abortion. If he was capable of pressuring her to have an abortion I suspect he was well able to pressure her to do his bidding in the driving matter. "
What? WHAT??? taking someone else's points is a serious criminal offence. Having an abortion is not, nor should it be.
Can't believe I am reading this here!

I do have some sympathy for her. A lot of people assume professional, high powered women can't be victims of EA, DV and so on. Not true.

I don't have any sympathy at all for Chris Huhne.

I feel sorry most of all for their kids.

What an awful mess.

Heaven only knows what really went on, but it's entirely possible that he did put a great deal of pressure on her, even if she was unable to convince a second jury that it met the legal requirement for marital coercion. Being a successful professional person doesn't make you immune from abuse or violence, even, let alone undue pressure and bullying at home.

I can quote several examples of colleagues who are or have been dynamic, professional, experienced, qualified skillful women - you would never have dreamed what was going on behind closed doors. Senior managers in respected fields - and yet they were being abused by their partners/husbands. How many more women are putting up with pressure and bullying that falls short of the definition of domestic abuse?

It was very wrong of her to try to pin the blame on an innocent third party, though.