Trans parents

[Bakeo]

MNHQ you are failing those of us with trans children. I don't want to go anywhere else, I've been here for a decade. I appreciate both sides of the argument but this is Mumsnet not feministnet.

[Birdsfoottrefoil]

HugoSpritz then you will agree with my post that my daughter is transphobic for not wanting to get undressed in front of a male when changing on her own for swimming in a communal changing room?

[alreadytaken]

seems to me that the trans movement tries to close down any debate by labelling anyone who disagrees with them transphobic - an attitude that encourages opposition.

This is an education board - education is about teaching children to think for themself and hopefully to form opinions based on evidence. The trans movement has yet to show me any evidence for their belief that gender dysphoria is not a mental illness. They are a misogynist movement seeking to reimpose gender stereotypes that I reject.

If it hurts your feelings to be told that your opinions have no rational or scientific basis then mumsnet is not the place for you.

[YouJustDoYou]

How is mn failing parents of trans children?

[Snowglobes]

birdsfoottrefoil exactly this.

[Snowglobes]

And you’re way of thinking HugoSpritz is ‘right’?

[slipperywhensparticus]

Cant debate if they hit and run

[Needmoresleep]

Sorry, "Forget" rather than "For". Slow computer keeps leaving bits out.

[FamilyOfAliens]

Whatever happened to informed and respectful debate?

It got replaced by #nodebate.

[Needmoresleep]

Can't resist
Quote from Barack Obama yesterday.

“Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right, or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because: ‘Man, did you see how woke I was? I called you out,’” he said. “That is not activism.”

For the subject, just look at the debate. OP "mums should stick to being mums" PP "but there are some important issues that affect women" PP "that is hate"

und so weiter. Whatever happened to informed and respectful debate?

[slipperywhensparticus]

Drop and run hoping for a load of transphobic comments unfortunately it's the wrong board

[Coyoacan]

I'm still waiting to see what the OP wants to talk about? Do you have any specific worry or concern, OP. that you cannot post in the LGBT parents forum?

[Birdsfoottrefoil]

onehanded can you confirm that you agree with my post?

[OneHanded]

This thread is so needed, thank you!

[Birdsfoottrefoil]

It is transphobic to not want my 12 year old daughter to get changed in a communal changing room alone with a man who may have done nothing to change his appearance as that man may or may not be transgender and it is transphobic to ask.

My daughter is a bigot if she expresses concern at getting undressed in front of this man

My daughter must be taught that if a man wishes to get undressed in a changing room with her, including exposing his penis, then she is not allowed any boundaries and must get undressed in front of him

If anyone suggests that this opens the door to abuse then you are being transphobic. And anyway men will always abuse women and girls.

[Ereshkigal]

Wheat2Harvest - in answer to your question - yes you are indeed transphobic.

Then the term is utterly meaningless. Well done 👍🏻

[slipperywhensparticus]

I do not wish sex offenders to gain access to vulnerable people by pretending to be trans I do not wish vulnerable women put away from safe spaces because they are better than natel women that's just the start of things

It's not transphobic its perfectly reasonable to not want that and many trans REAL trans who want the surgery who GET the surgery understand

[Whatwouldbigfatfannydo]

I hope you've no intention of lying that they can change sex, medicating your child, failing to protect them from effectively being sterilised or advocating for the lifelong trauma caused by the 'transition' process advocated by toxic organisations like Stonewall or Mermaids.
Mumsnet would be failing children by removing the discussion about this abuse.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Is there a reason this was put on the Higher Education board, because you haven't asked about anything to do with it?

Been here a decade, doesn't know how to post?

[ErrolTheDragon]

There is at least one parent of a trans child who posts regularly on the feminist boards who is deeply concerned about their child.

There are quite a few. It seems like for them it's not so much that they don't want to go anywhere else, it's that there's nowhere else they can go. Other platforms don't seem to 'allow both side sides of the argument'.

[ErrolTheDragon]

HE board seems a bit random...

Maybe the LGBT children board might be what you want (I don't know, it's not somewhere I have cause to go)


www.mumsnet.com/Talk/lgbt_children

[ArtieFufkinPolymerRecords]

Is there a reason this was put on the Higher Education board, because you haven't asked about anything to do with it?

[Gingerkittykat]

People on the feminist boards are concerned about the transing of children, the health effects of puberty blockers and then making kids sterile with cross sex hormones.

They are also concerned about Mermaids charity.

There is at least one parent of a trans child who posts regularly on the feminist boards who is deeply concerned about their child. My own child identified as non binary for a while but luckily had no intention of hormones or surgery.

Mumsnet is a lot more than parenting, I suppose you want to shut down the litter tray board because it's not catsnet, or is it just people who you don't agree with that you want to silence?

[PixieDustt]

@Wheat2Harvest I agree and that certainly doesn't make me transphobic. In fact I couldn't put it better myself.
Why should we be silenced all the time because we have an opinion which clearly stands for nothing anymore.