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Guest Post from Dr Louise Newson, GP and Menopause expert: "Should I be worried about breast cancer and HRT?"

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AnnaCMumsnet · 30/06/2021 09:43

Today Mumsnet launches our survey, which reveals that four in ten menopausal women are worried that taking HRT could increase their risk of breast cancer.

HRT Dr Louise Newson featured in the ‘Sex, Myths and Menopause’ documentary with Davina McCall that aired on Channel 4 in May. Here, Louise fact-checks some myths around the menopause and treatments and address concerns raised, particularly about the risk of breast cancer with HRT. A guest post by Dr Louise Newson:

"With all the increased conversation around menopause and perimenopause in the media recently, your thoughts may have turned to your own hormones, checking whether you tick a lot of boxes on the symptoms list, and even deciding if you should take the plunge and start HRT.

The results from the recent survey within the Mumsnet community echo what I see in my clinic and hear on social media every day. You know you’re perimenopausal (if you’re still having periods) or menopausal (if periods stopped more than a year ago) and you’re getting fed up of the toll it’s taking on your body and impact on your life. But the one thing that is stopping you getting help – and relief from symptoms – is that nagging doubt in your mind that HRT is too risky and causes breast cancer.

First of all, don’t worry, and secondly, let me have a few minutes of your time to explain where those rumours came from in the first place and show you what the good-quality evidence shows us.

A brief history of HRT
As part of the feminist movement in the 1960s the idea of ‘feminine forever’ was introduced in a bestselling book by an American doctor, Robert Wilson, who recognised menopause as a hormone deficiency that was curable and preventable by oestrogen replacement.

In European countries and the US, HRT grew in popularity over the decades, rising significantly in the 1990s. The majority of menopausal women took HRT and healthcare professionals were very happy and willing to prescribe it to most women. Women’s health on a larger scale saw fewer instances of heart disease (including heart attacks and strokes) and much less of the bone-weakening disease osteoporosis, as a result of the widespread use of HRT.

Everything changed virtually overnight with the publication of one study, the Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) study in 2002, that is referred to in Davina's documentary.

The WHI study
This notorious study was halted prematurely due to concerning results they were finding linking HRT with breast cancer. The conclusions were then leaked to the media before proper analysis could be carried out. Later, analysis of this data revealed the link was not statistically significant - in fact it had completely vanished - but of course, this news didn’t make the headlines. It was too late. The notion was now firmly planted, in the minds of women and healthcare professionals alike, that HRT causes breast cancer. And the number of women taking HRT in Europe and the US – much like their hormones – fell right off a cliff.

Taking a deep dive into the WHI study will show you that:

  • The average age of women in the study was 63, yet researchers generalised their conclusions to include women entering menopause in their early 50s.
  • Nearly half the participants were current or past smokers, many had heart disease in the past, more than a third had been treated for high blood pressure, and 70% were seriously overweight or obese.
  • The study claimed HRT increased the risk of heart problems, but the fine print revealed that the risk occurred only among women who were starting in their 70s and older.
  • The investigators then revised their findings five years after they were initially published and concluded that women who started HRT in the first 10 years following menopause actually reduced their risk of heart disease, but this didn’t make headlines either.
  • The types of HRT used in this study were tablet oestrogen (derived from pregnant horses’ urine) with synthetic progestogen, which are very different from the body identical HRT (derived from yam plants) that we now usually prescribe, which has lower risks and is very safe.

    The fallout from fake news
    This study was 20 years ago and the good news about oestrogen is still struggling to break through the damage caused.

    More than 70 years of findings from animal studies, human studies, observational studies and randomised control studies demonstrate the benefits of oestrogen and show HRT to be a very safe and effective treatment for perimenopause and menopausal symptoms, and for reducing your risk of future diseases. Today in the UK, only around 10% of women take HRT, and many who would like to struggle to find a doctor or healthcare professional who will prescribe it for them.

    Factcheck: HRT and breast cancer
    So what does the good-quality evidence show us about the risks of HRT?
  • Most types of HRT do not increase the risk of breast cancer at all.
    Oestrogen-only HRT has actually been shown to lower the future risk of breast cancer compared to women who don’t take HRT.
  • Some studies have shown that women taking combined HRT (containing oestrogen and a progestogen – a synthetic progesterone) may have a very small increased risk of breast cancer. The risk is related to the type of progestogen in the HRT, not the oestrogen. However, this risk is very small and is less than the risk of breast cancer for women who are overweight or who drink a large glass of wine every evening. (Remember Davina in the ball pit and how many more pink balls there were for weight or alcohol intake than for HRT?)
  • Taking micronised progesterone (‘Utrogestan’ in the UK) has not been shown to be associated with a statistically significantly increased risk of breast cancer.

    ‘Body identical’ HRT has the same molecular structure as the hormones we naturally produce and contains oestrogen that is transmitted through the skin via a patch, gel or spray, and micronised progesterone (needed to protect your womb, if you have one). This type of HRT is also safe for women who have migraines, have a history of a blood clots or stroke, and also for most women who have had cancer or have a family history of cancer.

    It is important to remember that the risk of breast cancer is most influenced by factors that you can’t do much about, like your age and family history, and three key things you can influence – your weight, exercise and alcohol intake. These risk factors are associated with a greater risk of breast cancer than any type of HRT.

    I believe (and the NICE menopause guidelines tell us) that most women would benefit from taking HRT to help their symptoms of perimenopause and menopause and also to help protect against heart disease, osteoporosis, dementia, depression, bowel cancer and type 2 diabetes.

    It’s time to change the narrative around HRT, shake off false beliefs about the risks, and take back control of your wellbeing in the present and improve your health for the future."


    Dr Louise Newson is a menopause specialist, and founder of The Menopause Charity and the free Balance menopause support app.
Guest Post from Dr Louise Newson, GP and Menopause expert: "Should I be worried about breast cancer and HRT?"
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SpindleWhorl · 30/06/2021 11:34

Thank you very much for this post - I'm going to read it in detail and will be back!

I know my GP is blatantly misrepresenting the NICE guidelines and NHS advice to me, and I am, quite frankly, sick to death of it.

I feel my health and future health doesn't matter to her - she's too invested in the 'HRT causes breast cancer' mantra. She has deliberately stopped my prescription, has unilaterally altered my prescription to a lower dose, and basically told me a load of rubbish over the phone (which I challenged).

I have no ovaries or uterus. She seems unable to acknowledge this either, let alone that I'm on oestrogen-only patches and started them

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Sonarl · 30/06/2021 11:41

So once I am 50/51 what do I need to make sure my GP prescribed me - is there one patch that contains the body identical oesstrigen and micro progesterone?

This confused me as older friends seem to get given 2 types of pills, a patch and pills etc?

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Blooter · 30/06/2021 11:59

Does this mean that it is safe for women with a history of ER+ breast cancer to take body identical HRT?

Are there any implications of these studies for the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of tamoxifen?

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SimonedeBeauvoirscat · 30/06/2021 12:22

Thanks for this, very reassuring. I have 2 questions, if we’re allowed to ask?

  1. how long should one take HRT for? Is it for life? Or is there a point at which the balance of medical benefits / risks change?

  2. if one’s doctor is reluctant to prescribe, is there a way of challenging this / getting a prescription elsewhere? Are there any official guidelines for doctors which are helpful for patients encountering resistance?
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Reallyreallyborednow · 30/06/2021 12:42

Why should someone ask for HRT? Is it routinely recommended for older women, or only if symptomatic?

I saw a thread here recently which seemed to suggest everyone should take it, to combat things such as weight gain, decreased libido and bone density loss.

I’m 50, showing no signs of menopause at all so far, have gained some weight and lost libido but I put that down to being so sedentary over the last year, plus stress generally. I’ve started weight training to combat that now gyms are open.

So should someone like me without any actual menopausal issues still be asking for HRT? Are there still benefits? I hesitate because I absolutely do not get on with hormonal birth control.

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Sonarl · 30/06/2021 13:21

I'm in exactly the same position. Have never been on hormonal birth control, same peri symptoms that I am coping ok with so far. However I have a demanding job and still young kids so I am interested in the ide of a "pre-emptive strike" approach and getting on HRT sooner rather than later (as I can already feel the anger levels rising :) ) but concerned this might be a big shock to my system as I have never really taken any artificial or extra hormones.

What is the most gentle/least dose/best delivery mechanism to start on?

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Thenameisweasley · 30/06/2021 13:23

Really helpful post thank you. I'm 32 but about to have a total hysterectomy so been reading a bit about HRT - this has answered lots of questions for me!

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Newgirls · 30/06/2021 13:35

Thanks for this Dr Newsom and mumsnet. It’s something I knew nothing at all about at 47 - the education around peri/meno is woeful. Thanks 🙏

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/06/2021 13:43

what about the shortages? Is it better to be on patches or pills or cream? Which one will I be able to get?

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booface · 30/06/2021 14:47

Thanks very much for coming on to answer our questions. I am in my mid 50s and post menopausal (confirmed by hormone blood tests). My mum and grandmother were crippled by osteoporosis. Do you recommend I take HRT to prevent suffering osteoporosis myself? I don't have any other menopausal symptoms and seem to be coping quite well fortunately. Should I ask for a baseline Dexa scan perhaps and take it from there?

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Emilyontmoor · 30/06/2021 15:09

I had strongly ER positive Breast Cancer at the age of 43 after a lifetime of very heavy periods that took the highest dose of the Oestrogen pill to control (Eugynon 30) which I had to stop after 5 years because of concerns I was showing early signs of a stroke. I also had another hormonal cancer , cervical cancer in situ, and fertility tests showed that high levels of Oestrogen were one of the factors in failing to conceive. My Oncologist said this type of medical history was one she saw too often in women. There is no family history of BC and I was extremely active, a runner and gym bunny and eat extremely healthily. As I understand it the risks of Breast Cancer are not well understood with only a small percentage of risk accounted for by the factors you list and most of that is family history. So it is entirely possible that there is a genetic predisposition to be vulnerable to exposure to environmental factors such as exposure to Oestrogen as opposed to a directly linked gene like BRCA. There are so many of us in my support group with similar stories.

So as you can imagine I am extremely sceptical of this shift to saying that a hormone that I believe tried to kill me is not so bad after all. How would you address that scepticism? Incidentally my chemo imposed menopause was actually a relief after the hormonal roller coaster of my periods.

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Aquamarine1029 · 30/06/2021 17:05

It’s time to change the narrative around HRT

It far past time to properly educate GP's about peri and menopause. Women are routinely dismissed, left untreated, and made to feel their suffering is all in their head or that they're exaggerating. This pervasive lack of knowledge and concern amongst GP's is unacceptable.

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quirkychick · 30/06/2021 18:58

Thanks to your program and your balance app, I am finally on HRT. I think it's taken me 8yrs. The main issue is I can't take oral oestrogen - history of migraines and post pregnancy dvt - and am in perimenopause, so they wanted to swap my mini pill (that I get along with fine) for a Mirena Coil and were refusing anything until I had one fitted. However, I have now started oestrogen and combined oestrogen/progesterone patches. The most obvious difference is my sleep, which of course impacts everything else and do I get much less of my other symptoms.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/06/2021 19:08

Thanks for this. I was very against taking HRT because I have a bad history of breast cancer in my mother's family (although she hasn't had it). However, my other concern is that menstruation was a nightmare for me from start to finish and I had endometriosis. It's been a huge relief for me not to have periods any more. Does HRT re-activate periods? How does it affect endometriosis? Can this increase the risk of other forms of cancer?

Thanks for engaging with us. I agree with everyone else - this is an area where people just aren't well informed.

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Runningshorts · 30/06/2021 21:19

Can I ask what sort of age should you start HRT? Is 40 too young even if you've had perimenopausal symptoms for a couple of years and family history of early menopause? How do you get a gp to take it seriously at this age?

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OneFootintheRave · 30/06/2021 21:36

Placemarking.

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moonbedazzled · 30/06/2021 23:24

I'm 61. I've never taken HRT - had no symptoms during the menopause. At that time it was considered only to take HRT if you had to, and then to stay on it as short a time as possible, and beware increased risks of breast cancer. It now looks, ike HRT, on the contrary, is a cure all for all sorts of diseases: diabetes, heart disease, stroke. Should I ask to go on it now to get benefit from it?

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covidandborisandworld · 01/07/2021 06:54

Thank you. Herbal supplements are currently controlling my hot flushes etc but I still have very painful joints in elbows and pain in lower arms

Is it worth starting hrt for that or should I stuck with the herbals.

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JinglingHellsBells · 01/07/2021 07:31

Fantastic info BUT I don't think this is a Q&A guest thread, so I can't see Dr Newson coming back to give answers. (Unless I've missed something.)

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LizzieSiddal · 01/07/2021 11:00

Thank you. Place marking for reading later.

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Reallyreallyborednow · 01/07/2021 11:11

Fantastic info BUT I don't think this is a Q&A guest thread, so I can't see Dr Newson coming back to give answers. (Unless I've missed something.)

I thought that, but a q&a would obviously be very useful. I’m reasonably well up on medications and their uses, but wouldn’t even have considered requesting HRT unless I was struggling with menopause symptoms…

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Sheerheight · 01/07/2021 11:33

Interesting thread. Place marking.
My gp seemed very against hrt so gave up tryingto discussit , apart from estrodiol - the topical vagifem . And she wasn't very keen on that .

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JinglingHellsBells · 01/07/2021 11:41

@Reallyreallyborednow

Fantastic info BUT I don't think this is a Q&A guest thread, so I can't see Dr Newson coming back to give answers. (Unless I've missed something.)

I thought that, but a q&a would obviously be very useful. I’m reasonably well up on medications and their uses, but wouldn’t even have considered requesting HRT unless I was struggling with menopause symptoms…

There is MASSES of info on her website including

fact sheets
booklets
video interviews with all kinds of specialists
podcasts - as above
research papers
statements by other experts

Obviously she is working as a private consultant and can advise on individual queries if anyone needs more than is available on her website.
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quirkychick · 01/07/2021 11:52

Coming back to also recommend the Balance app (free) that Dr Louise Newson helped devise. Lots of info and you can track symptoms etc. often symptoms you weren't aware of.

It would be great for Q&A!

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Emilyontmoor · 01/07/2021 13:32

I remain very sceptical, lifetime exposure to Oestrogen is a risk factor for Breast Cancer, indeed breastfeeding and late start to periods reduce risk. I had/did both but my Oestrogen levels were just high all my life. This doctors write up on the risk factors for Breast Cancer does not suggest she understands the risk from lifetime exposure to Cancer. The three factors she mentions account for just 1% of risk, family history 5%, the rest isn’t understood.

Women diagnosed with Oestrogen Receptor positive tumours like mine are no longer treated with chemo even with many nodes affected as I had. Menopause and starving your Cancer from Oestrogen is the most effective treatment.

I am sure if you have not been exposed to other sources of Oestrogen or didn’t run hot on it (Google Oestrogen overload /dominance) then HRT will be safe but if you have had the symptoms, heavy / irregular periods /bloating/ painful lumpy breasts / fertility problems / hormonal cancers then I would think more than twice. My Oncologist certainly thinks so.

I think balance is a little missing in this post.

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