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MumsnetGuestPosts · 03/11/2016 15:19

Years ago, I didn't go to see my friend Mark when he was dying. I didn't know what to say, so I avoided saying anything. I have regretted it ever since.

I know I'm not alone: in my years of work with hundreds of people with cancer, I have learned that worrying about what to say puts many people off visiting their friends and loved ones at a time when they need them most. It's understandable. The usual social conventions seem redundant; putting your foot in it feels inevitable.

I wish someone had given me this advice. It won't make it easy, but it may help you to be there for the people you care about in the most difficult times.

  1. It is not about you. Your job is just to listen. If you are busy thinking about what to say, you're not listening.


  1. They may not want to discuss their sadness, pain or fears. If the person who is dying wants to talk about what it's like, they will, but they may never do so.


  1. Prepare to face your own questions and anxieties about dying. When I was ten, I went to visit my Uncle Will, who was dying of cancer. I remember how warm his hand was and how thin. He was not much more than a skeleton. I asked him, "Uncle Will, what's it like to be dying?" My mother kicked my leg and tried to shush me. But he calmly said, "It's like I'm on one side of the fence and you're all on the other. I can see you and talk to you all, but I am not with you." I thought about that fence for a long time afterwards. I could see it, and Uncle Will behind the fence, talking to us through it. He was right. He was no longer with us. As a child, I could get away with asking that question, and I'm glad I did. As an adult, you may have similar questions - but remember that the person won't necessarily have or be willing to share the answers.


  1. It is okay to feel awkward or uncomfortable. The person may be disfigured in some way; your job is not to see it. It might be difficult for them to talk and for you to understand them. This is not their fault, but it's not your fault either. There can be all kinds of aspects to visiting someone who is seriously ill which make it awkward. There may be odours; tubes of fluids going in or out of them; interruptions from medical staff. If you are uncomfortable, accept it, and do your best to ignore it.


  1. In some ways, it is about you. I believe dying itself is easy, if you're not in pain. It is saying goodbye that is the most difficult thing in the world. When you're with a person who is dying, you are anticipating a world in which they are no longer there. You are already grieving. You may need to seek support and comfort afterwards.


  1. Check: Are you wanted? Don't assume that a person who is dying is not content to be left alone. Ask, "Is it alright for me to sit with you for a while?", or "Is there anything I can do for you?" Offer your support, but don't insist. Accept it if they say no.


  1. Be real. A dying person has a highly tuned bullshit detector. Life, especially for them, is too short.


  1. "How are you?" is not a stupid question. An hour before she died, one of my patients, Jill, said to me "I've been through a rough patch, but I've turned the corner." A person who is dying also has their better days.


  1. Dying is a sad business. 'The sorry business' is what some Australian indigenous people call it. Say "I am sorry" if you're feeling it. Cry if you need to, but don't burden a dying person with your grief. If it all gets too much, don't hesitate to excuse yourself and take a moment in another room. Compose yourself and go back. But go back.


10. Always go back. No matter how hard it was, try to visit again while you still can. But ask. When you leave you might say "I'd like to come and see you again, would that be all right?" And they will tell you. They might say, "It's a little tiring for me." And you should feel OK about that. Because it's not about you.

And a final word, from a patient in the hospital I worked in. She told me after her cancer diagnosis, people in her village began crossing the street to avoid talking to her. I told her about Mark and how I didn't go to see him because I didn't know what to say, and I asked her, "What would you say to those people who crossed the street if you had the opportunity?" She looked me in the eye and said firmly: "It's still me in here! Talk to me, not my cancer."

Johannes Klabbers is a posthumanist therapist and the author of I Am Here: stories from a cancer ward, which explores how we can give comfort to people who are suffering or dying. He will tour the UK in November, speaking at Folkestone Book Festival and other venues.
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Footle · 04/11/2016 07:27

A valuable OP, thank you.

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gleegeek · 04/11/2016 09:26

Sobbed my way through this. Beautifully written and very worth saying. Thanks all for sharing your stories. Brought back memories of sitting with mum x

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DoloresVanCartier · 04/11/2016 10:24

I've cried through all of your posts. DM is terminal with lung cancer. She was given until September as there is nothing that can be done to rid her of this disgusting disease. Obviously we are into November now and I'm so grateful for the "extra" time we are having. She still goes to work every day (self employed) in the mornings and she is an utter inspiration to me, she knows she is dying and she is very very sad, scared and grieving for the life in front of her she won't have, seeing DS grow and marry, seeing me happy and content and safe.
I'm so angry that it's my gentle and wonderful DM that has this, I would take it from her and have it myself if only it were possible. Instead I've kind of not been going to see her as often as I should, I know I will regret it (I see her twice a week and we speak every day, but it's not enough), and I don't know why I'm doing it!!!!!
One bit of advice I got from a friend at work when I was first told was "don't do your grieving now, do your living now". That sticks in my head, I'll have the rest of my life to grieve and wait on the day that I can hold her hand again. Now I'm absolutely sobbing but I'm only feeling sorry for myself

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 04/11/2016 10:48

I read this wrong. My husband died at 50 after a year of dying at home. When I read this piece I skipped the first para, and therefore didn't register that it was about people who find it hard to be with dying loved ones. If it's someone you live with, 24/7, all these things come naturally because essentially you have no choice. You're communicating with them all the time. You're as close as people ever are.

For me, that last year was the best in our marriage. All the crap about who should have cleaned the kitchen just disappears. All that remains is love.

I get what you're saying about people not coming round. People who chicken out can cause huge hurt. The day my DH died my assistant came across one of his friends sobbing outside a pub, a friend who lived nearby and had promised to visit literally dozens of times. She told him my DH had given instructions that he was a cowardly piece of shit and was banned from his funeral. The exact message was "Tell him he's not welcome. I'm not buying him any more drinks, even if I am dead."

I hope it taught him a lesson.

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pugsake · 04/11/2016 12:00

Beautiful post.

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FemelleReynard · 04/11/2016 15:14

Thank you, I've been waiting to read something like this, after being in this situation myself recently with a family member.

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ButteredToastAndStrawberryJam · 04/11/2016 17:15

I agree, wise words. Crying here too. Thank you for your thoughtful post.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 04/11/2016 17:44

Oly5, what you say about touch is so important. I was lucky to have bereavement counselling that started 9 months before my DH died. My counsellor told me that many people stop touching the dying, either because they're afraid of hurting them or because they are repulsed by terminal illness, despite the fact that they love the sick person. Dying people pick up on our reluctance to touch them and it can be hurtful.

My DH had liver cancer with a huge painful swelling in his stomach. For months I longed to cuddle him but felt I couldn't. When I mentioned this to my DM she told me not to be so daft, and to ask him to show me how I could hold him. So I did and he showed me how I could embrace him without touching his tumour. I will always remember that embrace because it turned out to be 2 days before he died, so you can imagine how grateful I was that I'd asked.

Before that, once we could no longer spoon in bed as we always had done, we used to sleep spine to spine, with the soles of our feet touching. It was very comforting.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 04/11/2016 19:19

People vanish when you're dying, or have got that diagnosis hanging over you.

If there's one thing people reading this take away, please please don't avoid the dying person. You might feel awkward or sad, but I guarantee you're not the only one to feel like that, so don't rely on others to fill the gap left by your absence.

People avoid trajedy. I get why. But remember the person behind the trajedy. Connect with them, they're still the same person, it's not their fault it's all got awkward and upsetting.

See the person. Don't let them die alone. Please.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 04/11/2016 19:22

Oh Prawn, I'm so glad you found a way to hug. Flowers

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EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 04/11/2016 20:43

My friend of 20+ years died of cancer a fortnight ago. Less than two months after her diagnosis.

The day before she died, we (friendship group) were all with her in the hospital, holding her hands, sharing memories, telling her how much we loved her. She could barely speak by then but she could smile & squeeze our hands.

We held it together while we were in there with her and fell apart afterwards.

I got the call the next morning to say she'd died. It's shit. But it would be even shitter if I hadn't had the chance to say goodbye.

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minmooch · 04/11/2016 22:35

It's also about giving someone the best death they can have. My son died aged 18 after two and half years enduring brain cancer and it's treatment.

He wanted to believe he was going to beat it and we took his lead. Always. Two days before he died, and one of the last things he said to me, in a hospice and in a moment of clarity was ' I'm going to go to university mum, you just see'. Of course you are my darling, of course you are.

We wanted his last few days to be surrounded by love and laughter and it was. His nearest and dearest came to visit and we sat and told stories to make him smile.

It was so bloody frightening but I so didn't want him to be frightened. I didn't leave his side for the week he was in the hospice. Lay next to him. Told him how much he was loved. I believe he knew I was there until the end. He asked me once early in in diagnosis not to leave him and I didn't.

My mum died a year later. She was terrified of dying and being alone. My brother, my aunt and my dad took it in turns to never leave her for a moment as we knew she was frightened. My mum was a very beautiful woman and liked to look good. We did her hair and tried to keep her as she would have liked.

To be with someone who is dying is an honour to help their passing on to the next adventure.

I write this howling because having written all the above I would give everything to have not had to have helped my son have the best death.

I couldn't have done it without the love of family and friends who, despite their own fear, came and sat with us.

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persianpeach · 04/11/2016 23:14

What a worthwhile and thought provoking post. We don't talk about death or dying as much as we should in this country which creates fear of the unknown and a kind of stigma. We should all be more open and talk about the subject more, after all none of us are immune, it would benefit each and every one of us.

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persianpeach · 04/11/2016 23:19

minmooch you astound me with your strength and courage.

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Kit262 · 04/11/2016 23:35

Very moving post that covered most aspects. my Nan died of namonia this year. She died a slow death. very painful to see her like that, but I did try visit her everyday. I used to tell her I loved her and if she wonted anything because I didn't won't to regret it afterwards. Towards the end she stopped opening her eyes and talking and eating it was very hard to see her like that so One day I seen her in soo much pain so I said to her "Nan don't hang on just let yourself go don't be afraid. Grandad will be waiting for you" sometimes I think it's really hard for the dieing person to let go of this world but I believe in religion and believe Allah (god) is Gona take us to nice peaceful place.

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DoloresVanCartier · 05/11/2016 01:16

Minmooch im so so sorry for your losses, but it sounds like you took them there safely, if you know what I mean. What a brave woman you are. I'm going to hold my mums hand and never leave her, she's my best friend, my one and only, I'll be right behind her x

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PurpleThursday · 05/11/2016 01:40

Brilliant post. Thank you.

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Morgana63 · 05/11/2016 06:21

For several months my best friend and I were 'blocked' from spending time with our mutual best friend of 35 years who was suffering from recurring breast and secondary bone cancer. We never really found out why but assumed it was partly down to the fact that we were essentially invisible to her immediate and very large extended family as our friendship with E was outside of all that. Eventually, we were able to grab a few minutes of time to see her. Prior to our visit my friend and I determined that we would respectfully keep the essence of our friendships alive by 'keeping it real' like the three of us always had. Yes the conversation was difficult, seeing our best friend in such a fragile state was awful, but emotionally and mentally she was as strong as ever. It was clear that she just wanted all the medical appointments (striving but failing to give her a quality of life) and the avoidance of talking about the inevitable to stop. Her only regret was that no one understood it was ok to have full and frank conversations with her about what happens next. We gently brought this up with her husband afterwards and made a point of staying in touch with him supporting him in her final weeks. She died a few days after her daughters 21 birthday which she was determined against all odds to be present for. I guess what I'm saying here is that you should always respect the suffers true personality and not assume a lifetime of independent thought and actions disappears when you're fighting for your life. It is after all, their life and their choices that matter above all else.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/11/2016 10:08

That's a beautiful post, Minmoosh. Somehow we find the strength for them. I wonder where we get it from.

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Footle · 05/11/2016 11:51

My mother was always very aware of her looks. At the end of her life there were old friends she'd talk to on the phone but didn't want to see, as she didn't want them to see how she had changed , but she never explained that to them.
Just adding this in case it helps someone else be understanding in a similar situation.

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johannesk · 05/11/2016 12:10

Thanks to all of you for those many moving and inspiring responses. x Flowers

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FlamingGalar · 05/11/2016 12:13

Thank you for such a moving and helpful post.

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Bountybarsyuk · 05/11/2016 12:27

I am blubbing at some of the posts esp Prawn and minimoosh.

It is indeed an honour to be with someone facing terminal illness and their own death, but god, it would be so much nicer not to have to do it.

I completely get that.

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leecarnihan · 05/11/2016 13:34

Thank you for writing this. It's something I had to think about over the last year or so. I think being open and honest with the person can help you give them the support they need, and help you deal with the situation in a healthier way. I wrote this poem for my friend who had cancer because I didn't know what else to do www.carnihan.com/you-are-not-alone/

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/11/2016 13:53

One thing loads of people said to me after my DH died was "Even when you know they're dying it's always a shock."

But it wasn't. Maybe that's true if you're not physically intimate with the person, but I slept with my DH and, over the months, I saw his bare shoulder change from being smooth, glossy and muscular to being dry, bony and skeletal. I used to lie there and think "One day soon he'll be gone." So when he died it wasn't any sort of shock.

He died of a side effect, painlessly. I'd been caring for him at home, but he'd nearly reached the stage of needing a hospice. Hospices are amazing places, but he dreaded being away from our young DC. Instead he developed a blood clot on the lung, passed out in his own chair and died in the ambulance. We both thought he had pneumonia, and would be ok short term, so he wasn't frightened. For him to die so easily was amazing. He was lucky. We were all lucky.

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