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MumsnetGuestPosts · 03/11/2016 15:19

Years ago, I didn't go to see my friend Mark when he was dying. I didn't know what to say, so I avoided saying anything. I have regretted it ever since.

I know I'm not alone: in my years of work with hundreds of people with cancer, I have learned that worrying about what to say puts many people off visiting their friends and loved ones at a time when they need them most. It's understandable. The usual social conventions seem redundant; putting your foot in it feels inevitable.

I wish someone had given me this advice. It won't make it easy, but it may help you to be there for the people you care about in the most difficult times.

  1. It is not about you. Your job is just to listen. If you are busy thinking about what to say, you're not listening.


  1. They may not want to discuss their sadness, pain or fears. If the person who is dying wants to talk about what it's like, they will, but they may never do so.


  1. Prepare to face your own questions and anxieties about dying. When I was ten, I went to visit my Uncle Will, who was dying of cancer. I remember how warm his hand was and how thin. He was not much more than a skeleton. I asked him, "Uncle Will, what's it like to be dying?" My mother kicked my leg and tried to shush me. But he calmly said, "It's like I'm on one side of the fence and you're all on the other. I can see you and talk to you all, but I am not with you." I thought about that fence for a long time afterwards. I could see it, and Uncle Will behind the fence, talking to us through it. He was right. He was no longer with us. As a child, I could get away with asking that question, and I'm glad I did. As an adult, you may have similar questions - but remember that the person won't necessarily have or be willing to share the answers.


  1. It is okay to feel awkward or uncomfortable. The person may be disfigured in some way; your job is not to see it. It might be difficult for them to talk and for you to understand them. This is not their fault, but it's not your fault either. There can be all kinds of aspects to visiting someone who is seriously ill which make it awkward. There may be odours; tubes of fluids going in or out of them; interruptions from medical staff. If you are uncomfortable, accept it, and do your best to ignore it.


  1. In some ways, it is about you. I believe dying itself is easy, if you're not in pain. It is saying goodbye that is the most difficult thing in the world. When you're with a person who is dying, you are anticipating a world in which they are no longer there. You are already grieving. You may need to seek support and comfort afterwards.


  1. Check: Are you wanted? Don't assume that a person who is dying is not content to be left alone. Ask, "Is it alright for me to sit with you for a while?", or "Is there anything I can do for you?" Offer your support, but don't insist. Accept it if they say no.


  1. Be real. A dying person has a highly tuned bullshit detector. Life, especially for them, is too short.


  1. "How are you?" is not a stupid question. An hour before she died, one of my patients, Jill, said to me "I've been through a rough patch, but I've turned the corner." A person who is dying also has their better days.


  1. Dying is a sad business. 'The sorry business' is what some Australian indigenous people call it. Say "I am sorry" if you're feeling it. Cry if you need to, but don't burden a dying person with your grief. If it all gets too much, don't hesitate to excuse yourself and take a moment in another room. Compose yourself and go back. But go back.


10. Always go back. No matter how hard it was, try to visit again while you still can. But ask. When you leave you might say "I'd like to come and see you again, would that be all right?" And they will tell you. They might say, "It's a little tiring for me." And you should feel OK about that. Because it's not about you.

And a final word, from a patient in the hospital I worked in. She told me after her cancer diagnosis, people in her village began crossing the street to avoid talking to her. I told her about Mark and how I didn't go to see him because I didn't know what to say, and I asked her, "What would you say to those people who crossed the street if you had the opportunity?" She looked me in the eye and said firmly: "It's still me in here! Talk to me, not my cancer."

Johannes Klabbers is a posthumanist therapist and the author of I Am Here: stories from a cancer ward, which explores how we can give comfort to people who are suffering or dying. He will tour the UK in November, speaking at Folkestone Book Festival and other venues.
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Dizzybug52 · 17/12/2016 23:51

I lost my Mum 12 years ago to cancer, she was the most amazing person, i tried keeping a brave face on, not to cry in front of her but when I finally did break down she said 'thank god for that, I thought you didn't care!'. She faced everything head on, told us all what she wanted for her funeral so there was no skirting around the issue. She died in my arms and actually laughed when she went, even made dying easier on me. I lost my Dad last year, there was nothing wrong with him, died of a massive heart attack while abroad on holiday, i still can't accept it as I never got to holdhim and say goodbye x

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fififlores · 13/11/2016 23:35

I am new to guest posts on MN, is there any way to share this on SM? It's so good I think other people would like to read it.

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fififlores · 13/11/2016 23:29

Extremely moving and useful post, especially the words quoted by Namechangeemergency - very sorry for your loss. Cannot imagine how painful that must be.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 10/11/2016 14:46

Poor you, Emma. That's a very important point, that it's all about the person who is dying, not the people who get the news. The dying person shouldn't have to take responsibility for other people's reactions. Sadly too many people have at least one family member who makes everything about them, and I have no idea how to deal with people like that over something as emotionally charged as death.

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Emma1944 · 10/11/2016 03:58

Thank you for this.
I thought I was at the end years ago and dreaded telling people as some people burst into tears. Not very useful , me comforting them !

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 07/11/2016 23:11

Yes, less of the reverence. It's so alienating and also creates a distance that doesn't need to be there.

I'm sad to hear MacMillan nurses aren't always helpful. They're the first port of call, and possibly last hope when people are finding their way through this awful time.

My sister found one very helpful when her DH went through cancer : Testicular originally, but he went to the GP too late and it had already gone to his lymph glands, then spine, lungs, brain. It was a terrible time, and he declined very rapidly, and after the first two rounds of chemo, he stopped and asked to give up. Which was terrible for my sister to be ok with, and his parents.

But the nurse really helped my sister as her DH became very grabby and randy. At a time when she was in no fit state to think about sex. The nurse helped her understand that it was normal and why he would emotionally need to be alive in that way.

The strange truth of life is that my sisters DH went into remission. He was prepared to die then a few days later the brain tumor and back tumour started shrinking. So he prepared to hope all over again. And he's still alive today. Sadly, my sister was the one to get ripped away from us instead.

Life is strange like that.

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usualmum · 07/11/2016 20:36

Such brilliant posts

May I add that it's also lovely to tell that person how you feel about them. Your time spent together, previous stories, funny times, current news, old pics etc.

A relative of mine recently died after a 2 year battle and always commented to her family after my visit that I treated her like a living person! I always took that as a compliment.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/11/2016 14:57

P.S. I've just remembered the useless MacMillan nurse we had. First (and only) time she visited I made some crack about sending back DH's liver if offered it in a restaurant. As I was ushering her out she gazed at me earnestly and asked me if I did realise that my DH was very ill. Of course I do, I said. That's how we deal with it. We asked them to send someone else but he died before she turned up.

It's so important not to get all weird and sort of reverent when dealing with terminally ill people.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/11/2016 14:50

Good for you, Jane. You were right to speak to your friend the way you always have. She's ill, not different.

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JaneFoley66 · 06/11/2016 14:18

Parent friend emailed back this morning to say how lovely it would be and hopes to be there. So I feel my email went down all right. I feel for her, shr has a lot to go through.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/11/2016 20:50

You know your friend best but I think it makes sense to speak to her now with the same honesty you always have. Practical help was very welcome when my DH was dying. It's hard to get the energy together to cook at such a time. The casseroles people gave us were both immensely useful and a concrete way to show they cared. Warming in both senses.

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JaneFoley66 · 05/11/2016 16:37

I just hovered over the keyboard wondering how to phrase an email to a friend who has terminal cancer - I only found out today. I had planned to invite her to a Ukrainian Christmas party in January, so I did but I added I had heard today from a very close friend of hers and sent her 'the best wishes and strength' I could muster. I felt I should ackowledge she is sick and that she has a battle on. I felt awkward and unsure if I was saying the right thing but the idea I would paper over the cracks seemed wrong. So I sent it. I'm going to work away so I will not be around in the next weeks and she is not a close friend but one of our local crowd. It is so hard to know if anything you say is right but she is a fairly straightforward person and I did not think fluffing around trying to be polite would be appreciated. If it were me I'd want straight talking and practical help

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/11/2016 13:53

One thing loads of people said to me after my DH died was "Even when you know they're dying it's always a shock."

But it wasn't. Maybe that's true if you're not physically intimate with the person, but I slept with my DH and, over the months, I saw his bare shoulder change from being smooth, glossy and muscular to being dry, bony and skeletal. I used to lie there and think "One day soon he'll be gone." So when he died it wasn't any sort of shock.

He died of a side effect, painlessly. I'd been caring for him at home, but he'd nearly reached the stage of needing a hospice. Hospices are amazing places, but he dreaded being away from our young DC. Instead he developed a blood clot on the lung, passed out in his own chair and died in the ambulance. We both thought he had pneumonia, and would be ok short term, so he wasn't frightened. For him to die so easily was amazing. He was lucky. We were all lucky.

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leecarnihan · 05/11/2016 13:34

Thank you for writing this. It's something I had to think about over the last year or so. I think being open and honest with the person can help you give them the support they need, and help you deal with the situation in a healthier way. I wrote this poem for my friend who had cancer because I didn't know what else to do www.carnihan.com/you-are-not-alone/

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Bountybarsyuk · 05/11/2016 12:27

I am blubbing at some of the posts esp Prawn and minimoosh.

It is indeed an honour to be with someone facing terminal illness and their own death, but god, it would be so much nicer not to have to do it.

I completely get that.

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FlamingGalar · 05/11/2016 12:13

Thank you for such a moving and helpful post.

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johannesk · 05/11/2016 12:10

Thanks to all of you for those many moving and inspiring responses. x Flowers

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Footle · 05/11/2016 11:51

My mother was always very aware of her looks. At the end of her life there were old friends she'd talk to on the phone but didn't want to see, as she didn't want them to see how she had changed , but she never explained that to them.
Just adding this in case it helps someone else be understanding in a similar situation.

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/11/2016 10:08

That's a beautiful post, Minmoosh. Somehow we find the strength for them. I wonder where we get it from.

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Morgana63 · 05/11/2016 06:21

For several months my best friend and I were 'blocked' from spending time with our mutual best friend of 35 years who was suffering from recurring breast and secondary bone cancer. We never really found out why but assumed it was partly down to the fact that we were essentially invisible to her immediate and very large extended family as our friendship with E was outside of all that. Eventually, we were able to grab a few minutes of time to see her. Prior to our visit my friend and I determined that we would respectfully keep the essence of our friendships alive by 'keeping it real' like the three of us always had. Yes the conversation was difficult, seeing our best friend in such a fragile state was awful, but emotionally and mentally she was as strong as ever. It was clear that she just wanted all the medical appointments (striving but failing to give her a quality of life) and the avoidance of talking about the inevitable to stop. Her only regret was that no one understood it was ok to have full and frank conversations with her about what happens next. We gently brought this up with her husband afterwards and made a point of staying in touch with him supporting him in her final weeks. She died a few days after her daughters 21 birthday which she was determined against all odds to be present for. I guess what I'm saying here is that you should always respect the suffers true personality and not assume a lifetime of independent thought and actions disappears when you're fighting for your life. It is after all, their life and their choices that matter above all else.

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PurpleThursday · 05/11/2016 01:40

Brilliant post. Thank you.

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DoloresVanCartier · 05/11/2016 01:16

Minmooch im so so sorry for your losses, but it sounds like you took them there safely, if you know what I mean. What a brave woman you are. I'm going to hold my mums hand and never leave her, she's my best friend, my one and only, I'll be right behind her x

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Kit262 · 04/11/2016 23:35

Very moving post that covered most aspects. my Nan died of namonia this year. She died a slow death. very painful to see her like that, but I did try visit her everyday. I used to tell her I loved her and if she wonted anything because I didn't won't to regret it afterwards. Towards the end she stopped opening her eyes and talking and eating it was very hard to see her like that so One day I seen her in soo much pain so I said to her "Nan don't hang on just let yourself go don't be afraid. Grandad will be waiting for you" sometimes I think it's really hard for the dieing person to let go of this world but I believe in religion and believe Allah (god) is Gona take us to nice peaceful place.

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persianpeach · 04/11/2016 23:19

minmooch you astound me with your strength and courage.

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persianpeach · 04/11/2016 23:14

What a worthwhile and thought provoking post. We don't talk about death or dying as much as we should in this country which creates fear of the unknown and a kind of stigma. We should all be more open and talk about the subject more, after all none of us are immune, it would benefit each and every one of us.

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