Roses

[Dutchoma]

We have had some railings installed at the front of our house. Behind them is a small strip (about 1m wide) of nice garden soil. I would like some rose to grow against the railings.
What do I plant? Climbing or rambling, one colour or several, scented if possible.
There are several roses in the strip already, a big red one, a little red one and a white one.

Any ideas?

[Celery55]

oops again, didn't read the whole thread before chucking in my six pennorth, thanks for your patience Dutchoma! Lovely choice - enjoy

[Shruti04]

Climbing garden looks very beautiful with different types of flower plants and different types of hanging plants. You can try it on your balcony. As other person said, I also suggest you to planting roses in different colors as red, orange, pink and yellow.

[Dutchoma]

The front of the house faces south Celery so they will get full sun. I have ordered now and have also brought some tulip bulbs today. The one thing that is still missing is a small Michaelmas daisy, so I have some colour in that little front garden throughout the year. The main job will be to keep the campanula in check, it is sprouting everywhere.

[Celery55]

Oops, * shouldn't have been against disease resistance - Cecile - isn't particularly disease resistant - meant to link to flowering season

[Celery55]

Which way does the house face - when will the roses get sun? That affects which variety grows best
Also, maybe look at length of flowering season as well as disease resistance*
And be cautious with anything described as vigorous - it might need pruning so much to keep to hedge height you'll never see the flowers - in our soil Mme Alfred C mentioned by dutchoma can grow over the top of a house

*I put in a vote for shrub Cecile Brunner - little flowers though, but plentiful and early to bloom, carries on through summer and even now a few flowers are coming out. Not a strong scent but lovely, and classic 'rose' flowers.

Agree too much choice!

[Dutchoma]

Right, I have taken the plunge and ordered from Peter Beale three Compassion roses and from Hayloft Geranium pheaum album and mourning widow. Hopefully I will not become one of them too soon.

I wanted some Michaelmas Daisies as well, but they only sold them in collections and I don't have the room for them. As my neighbour has a huge patch I may well beg a bit when they have finished flowering.

[funnyperson]

I think compassion would go very well with all the companions you have mentioned. This pink rose might go well with compassion and the other plants
www.waitrosegarden.com/plants/_/rosa-youre-beautiful--fryracy/classid.2000020640/

[Dutchoma]

Oh, it will let me in now that I have signed up.
Yes cabbage roses are the ones that I called a cross between a tulip and a daisy, you are right to tell me it is a 'hybrid tea' shape I'm after.

[Dutchoma]

Link is not working for me. I even signed up and it froze.

BUT: I now have the David Austin catalogue and you are so right: it is beautiful even to look at. Still not made any decisions.

It is so difficult to visualise what it will look like.
I like the look of the Compassion, but am wondering if it is too orange when I am thing of plating some 'mourning widow' and 'album' geranium, 'Mars and Mount Everest' allium and some late flowering asters, the type that is out everywhere at the moment. That's all very purple, so would pink or yellow go better?

For such a small patch I am having a lot of fun.

[funnyperson]

www.pinterest.com/optimistic51/cabbage-roses/

[Dutchoma]

I didn't decide on anything yet as I hoped you would have another bit of input.
Good idea to get the catalogue, I always feel a bit bad getting a catalogue from someone and then not buying from them. I think they were the very expensive ones? I'll order one now.
Compassion seems to be a good choice, very much a 'rosey' rose, if you see what I mean. Just not sure as there is such a lot of choice.

How is your mother doing?

[funnyperson]

Dutchoma it is such a pleasure choosing roses that of course the choice should be yours. However if you have not already done so, do get the David Austin Catalogue just for the pleasure of looking through it even if you don't end up with any of their roses!
I think red and orange could be a lovely combination (but you would need to chooses reds and oranges which work well together) as would lots of pinks of different varieties.
Yellow roses are really cheerful too.
I have the following roses:

White/cream: Mme Alfred Carriere, Coopers Burmese, Sally Holmes, Generous Gardener
Pink:Gertrude Jekyll, New Dawn, Rosa Magenta bleu, American Pillar
Red: Dr Du Jamain, Munstead Wood
Orange: Mrs Oakley Fisher.

Some are climbers, some are shrubs in the border, and some are in pots. I choose roses which are hardy, don't mind shade and are scented.

My mother has another 20 or so varieties in different borders. However
the very 'seventies' overpruned roses of my mother's garden, with no companion planting - a bit like the roses in Queen Mary's rose garden in Regents Park don't really appeal to me. For me the best way to grow roses is the Sissinghurst or Giverney way - to let them either climb freely (and well supported) up a warm wall or to grow as large and vigorous shrubs to really let them flower abundantly in a mixed border.

Yesterday I saw a very pretty rose border in a front garden- palest yellow and pale orange roses (a bit like Compassion) interplanted with pastel ivory and lemon and pale pink dahlias- a very very pretty mixture of flower form- and quite an unusual colour scheme as it was all about light pastels, rather than the more modern deep purple/maroon themed borders. It was also very feminine, and made me think about how much garden design these days is male dominated.

[Dutchoma]

That's interesting Bearleigh

[Bearleigh]

Dutchomer I recommend you look for ones marked 'good disease resistance' (David Austin shows this - eg Susan Williams-Ellis). The ones of this type that I have are so much easier to look after than the normal ones. The disease resistant ones tend to be more recent introductions think.

[Showtime]

Compassion's been my favourite for years, classic tea-rose shape, very strong scent, repeat flowering (even today) and the most amazing salmon-y cream-y colour, I always plant one of these!

[Dutchoma]

So what would you suggest? Three colours maybe? Orange, yellow and red? Or all pink, maybe of the three varieties?
Been looking at alliums and geraniums too, again, what choice.

[funnyperson]

I have been looking at neighbours gardens thinking about yours and think if you have too many colours in a small space it will look patchy.

[Dutchoma]

I have been looking at Peter Beale's website and found the following:
Red: Dublin Bay and Deep Secret
Yellow: Golden Dawn
Pink: Maiden Blush, Eden Rose '88 and Handel
Orange: Compassion.

Never had an idea there is so much to choose from.

Any suggestions as to how to take it forward.

[Dutchoma]

At the moment I am knitting cardigans and a jumper for grandchildren nd the daughter of a friend. Also a SANDS blanket. I have not been able to do anything very difficult as I have not been able to see for six weeks due to a cataract operation. If you want to see a bit of my knitting, have a look on Ravelry, same username.

[funnyperson]

PS I had a look at your photo and think that as your railings are quite low you can also plant shrub roses and dont need to stick with climbers
You could plant some allium christophii between the geranium and roses they will keep greenfly away and add a lovely balance.

[funnyperson]

So what are you knitting these days Dutchoma?

[Dutchoma]

You bet I'm still knitting. I lost touch with you when your father had just got home?

I'll have a look at the roses in a little while, have just been placing an order with Real Dutch Food.

[funnyperson]

here is another good (and reasonably priced) rose grower
www.oldroses.co.uk/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=22

[funnyperson]

what about this
www.unwins.co.uk/youre-beautiful-rose-of-the-year-2013-bare-root-pid7248.html
it is pink and not a climber but nice, and cheaper than david austin

[funnyperson]

Oh yes I see what you mean- that is a hybrid tea rose-lovely shape but sometimes have little scent.
Are you still knitting dutchoma?