Recently I've been drawen into looking at and listening to some manosphere / MRA stuff online and I'm honestly baffled by it.
Much of it seems fulled by men who feel rejected by women or who had bitter divorces. They make a lot of the fact that only men can be drafted in the US, that more men commit suicide than women, that boys are failing educationally none of which is women's fault. They then complain about divorce laws and child custody. I persoanlly do not support the draft, I do think that services for mental health and to tackle male suicide should be improved / better funded and that boys failure in education should be investigated and methods found to help boys thrive in school. However I don't think women are responsible for mens suicides, mental health issues or life failures.
I don't have much experience of divorce in my circles are only one uncle of mine got divorced after his kids were adults so I can't say as much to that but the manosphere would have you believe that women marry a "beta male" for financial support while potentially raising another "alpha males" child. Then at some point (because she never really loved you) she will divorce you. They actually had a podcast with a male psychologist, sympathetic to the red pill ideology talking to Rollo Tomasi (one of their Guru's) about divorce and hypergamy and that psychologist who sees couples as a therapist said that he never sees that dynamic and that usually when women initiate divorce its long term issues such as substance abuse, cheating, abusive behaviour etc ongoing for many years without any serious attempt to get help or recover on the part of the man. In the case he used to illustrate that the woman only divorced her husband after he was sexually inappropriate to their teenage daughter while drunk. However in the comments the men who listened to this were saying that the man only became an alcoholic because his wife drove him to it, and that her divorcing him was still her being "hypergamous" because as an alcoholic / molestor he was no longer his best self, she felt she could do better and wanted to trade up. They ignore the fact that often after a marriage and divorce of that nature woman never want to remarry or even have another live in relationship, many prefer boyfriend they see a few times a week or even to remain single.
It feels like anything a woman does in their eyes will be twisted to fit one of their theories and used as proof of how terrible women are. They seem to hate women so much and yet are obsessed with women. They hate us, don't see us as fully human or capable of love or reason but they want us as sexual objects and (unpaid) domestic servents. Now women get to a point where we can say no, I'd rather be alone than with an abusive asshole who hates me and uses me they have a total meltdown, the world is going to end, civiallisation will collapse all because nobody will touch their weenie.
I actually read a comment on a youtube video that for a man the experience of unrequited love or desire is worse than the experience of rape for a woman! Its like for them a woman rejecting them is literal violence towards them.
The things they complain about like male suicide / educational failure / lack of father figures / the draft, none of that is womens fault but they paint it like feminisim is a zero sum game and therefore women have to get back into their box as subservient wives and mothers and give up frivolous ideas like education and careers or staying single. Its all so transparent but they like to claim they are so rational and logical and that only men like them can save the world but what are they actually doing, nothing is stopping any of them from going out into the world and doing amazing things except that they are spending all this energy on hating women.
They accuse women of solipsism when they try to argue against their theories but fail to see that their ideologies are a perfect example of a solipsistic argument. They conflate anecdotal with empirical evidence, continually misure and misrepresent statistics and other studies, rely on discredited science and otherwise lack awareness of anything outside the narrow confines of their hateful ideology.
I just don't get it?
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AIBU for not understanding the whole manosphere hatred and blame of women?
circewoof · 21/07/2022 15:55
Fairislefandango · 21/07/2022 17:32
These men are literally furious that women are free to reject them and can't see that its their terrible attitudes that are at fault not women.
But it's not even just the ones with their extreme incel attitudes, is it? How many women have experienced 'How dare you not be interested in me?!' attitudes from fairly normal-seeming men when they reject their advances, even politely? They can't all be red-pillers. A lot of men fundamentally don't seem to accept that women have every right to reject any man, for whatever reason or no reason, even the 'nice guys'. And yet I doubt it occurs to them that they should have no choice when it comes to choosing women.
CPL593H · 21/07/2022 18:26
There have always been inadequate embittered men who hate women. The difference is that now they can find each other and egg each other on via the Internet. Yes, it's concerning but it does make visible a very longstanding issue.
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