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Fasting / 5:2 diet

5:2 Diet Thread! 7 is our lucky number...

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 19/11/2012 12:57

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- we won't bite. Well, maybe on a fast day. Wink

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one etc!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

Here is where I would link to the aforementioned Horizon programme, but it appears as if the BBC have finally noticed it on YouTube and have taken it down. If you have another link for this episode, please PM me with it, or post it to the thread and we'll put it up for the next thread.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. We tend to favour lots of hot drinks during the day (count your milk if you use it!)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Good Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We mentioned BMR and TDEE often. Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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Poppy1234 · 21/11/2012 20:21

Thanks everyone for the advice, 3 days in a row has been tough but not as bad as I anticipated, my thinking is that I would like to do 4:3 until I reach target (I wouldn't be known for my patience) and relax into 5:2 and ultimately 6:1.

If I want to do 4:3 I only have 4 days to fit it in as the weekend (including Friday) is a fast free zone so I may as well do 3 days in a row. Hopefully that babbling makes sense. I also openly admit to being very shallow and I'm doing this solely to get rid of that pesky last half a stone while still enjoying everything I love (cake, wine etc), the health benefits are an added advantage but not my primary motivation.

I must say this is such a lovely and supportive group.

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ThinkICan · 22/11/2012 01:04

"The point that TheCyclistist made about the 20:1 rat:human life expectancy and also the 5:1 heart rate ..." Seem to have missed that. Can you repeat what you said Cyclistist or give the link where you came across this info? Still worrying about the New Scientist reference to research on effects of ADF on heart function, as you can see! And I realise TiP2 and you are geniuses in turning up relevant research.

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ThinkICan · 22/11/2012 01:09

literarygeek - there's been a lot of research on the need for sunshine and vitamin D to prevent osteoporosis. In fact my GP asked me to make sure I get 15 minutes of morning or evening sunshine to set the body clock and ensure bone and hormone health.

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Bordercollielover · 22/11/2012 06:37

Thinks an, is that real or artificial sunshine? I never see the sun in winter term time!

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literarygeek · 22/11/2012 07:30

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TheCyclistist · 22/11/2012 08:46

G'mornin Thinkican , I think what TiP was referring to were my comments on the relative lifespans of humans and rats. The rats in question in the experiment followed ADF for 6 months, that as a proportion of a rats life to a humans life probably corresponds to about a decade.

Unfortunately nothing more to add than that.

On a fasting day today........so looking forward to tomorrow morning Smile

Have a great day fasters and feasters

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Thelittlestranger · 22/11/2012 09:44

Top of the morning to you :-) well, not any more...who would have thought it would result in 6lbs gain over the weekend!! Phew. It was the first in a year, but still...

Anyway, the good news is I kept on, did my two fast days on Monday and Wednesday battling a cold too, and not only lost the temporary fluid retention gain, but have lost another 1lb and finally reached my first target of pre-pregnancy weight!! Whoop!!

Laska, think of the food you can eat when you feel better....hope it goes soon.

Poppy, hard core! Do you think you'll be able to manage 3 consecutive days every week? For me, the beauty of this way of eating is that I don't have to feel like I'm depriving myself...

Right off to body combat...

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Sputnik · 22/11/2012 10:33

Just thought I'd check in as I haven't shown my face on here for a month. Still doing 5:2, though I was on holiday and skipped a week, then skipped last week too as I wasn't feeling well but no problem at all getting back into it. Weight maintained so that's ok.
Will try and keep up now!

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TalkinPeace2 · 22/11/2012 10:35

Vitamin D : I get lots because I swim outdoors year round. A friend who suffers from SAD or winter depression has pretty much cured it by joining the outdoor pool gang.
For those not mad enough to swim outdoors when its below zero, the best thing to do is to take the opportunity to go for a 'yomp' whenever the sun comes out. Twenty minutes raking up leaves, or sweeping the drive or walking quickly with face and arms exposed will get you a hit of vitamin D and do your circulation a world of good.
www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice/clinical-zones/childrens-nursing/rickets-warning-as-new-cases-rise/5021758.article

Fasting today - so far done 2km swim, now paperwork and coffee.

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squoosh · 22/11/2012 10:37

Can I chime in and say that taking a Vitamin D supplement daily has all but cured my psoriasis. Vit D deficiency is now being linked to a host of autoimmune conditions including MS.

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TalkinPeace2 · 22/11/2012 10:41

Oh yes, I forgot to mention my now lack of psoriasis ....

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TalkinPeace2 · 22/11/2012 11:17

literary
its a heated pool .... I'm not as mad as a friend who has swum in the sea every day for the last 30 years .... and it does mean I have a serious year round tan Grin

just a walk round the block in the sunshine helps (the sun has come out here for the first time in days)

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MoomieAndFreddie · 22/11/2012 11:47
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ceebeegeebies · 22/11/2012 12:42

I am very interested in this diet - one quick question, I have had a quick look at the blog post and that says you can eat one meal at lunchtime of 500 calories on the fast days - is that the case or can you spread your 500 cals out over the day?

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TalkinPeace2 · 22/11/2012 12:43

it is much, much easier to delay eating as long as you can and have the whole 500 at once as otherwise your tummy starts to rumble
(am fasting today, so far two cups of tea and an apple and two pints of water)

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ceebeegeebies · 22/11/2012 12:52

Mmm not eating is not a strong point of mine - I am a terrible snacker but that explains why I am at least 2 stone overweight Sad

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ceebeegeebies · 22/11/2012 12:52

Sorry, another question - do you not feel as if you want to pass out on the 'fasting' days??

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TalkinPeace2 · 22/11/2012 13:13

No - because so long as you stay busy and hydrated your body can easily pull on reserves to get you through.
Hunger pangs are NOT something to be afraid of. They subside.
I find fasting days to be my most productive as I have to stay away from the kitchen and busy ....

))))))Snacking((((((( stop buying that sort of food - its the only way sadly!
OR start logging your non fast days into MyFitnessPal and decide whether you want a bag of doritos or a whole supper of veggie stir fry ...

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ceebeegeebies · 22/11/2012 13:16

Talkin thanks for the advice. Has it worked (or is it working) for you? How much weight have you lost over what period?

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squoosh · 22/11/2012 13:17

ceebee You'll be surprised after the first couple of fast days how un-famished you feel. I keep all my 500 calories until around 7pm and by that time I'm definitely hungry but not out of mind ravenous. Your body adjusts quite quickly.

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TalkinPeace2 · 22/11/2012 13:22

I've lost a stone since the start of term. Am now pretty slim.

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ceebeegeebies · 22/11/2012 13:30

I think you have hit the nail on the head and I think I am scared of hunger pangs so try and head them off by snacking - I have always been like this and it is a habit I need to break.

My mum is doing the diet and she has 4 small snacks throughout the day - not sure if this is the right thing to do though Confused

I really do need to do something and other diets just aren't shifting the weight - I do exercise a lot but could do the fasting on my non-gym days otherwise I really would pass out Grin

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ManOnBoard · 22/11/2012 13:54

CBGBs As TP2 says you will find the hunger passes very quickly but you are right about the snacks but once you have fasted a couple of times you should notice the urges were just habit not need. The amount of times I still wander in to the kitchen and then question myself as to whether I want something or not and now decide not. You can have your 500cals in one meal or spread out over the day but most of us find that delaying as long as possible works best. We have all been repeatedly told that breakfast is the most important meal of the day but all it seems to do is awaken your appetite rather than suppressing it. Find what works for you and good luck

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