Why has there been no attempt whatsoever by Labour MPs to remove Corbyn over the past few months....

[Oakenbeach]

.... He’s deeply unpopular - unbelievably more so even than TM at her darkest hour; he’s preventing the party adopting an unequivocal anti-Brexit line when most of the party are desperate for him to; he’s mired in scandal over anti-semetism; and he led his party to a risible 14% vote share in the EU election, yet no one has tried to touch him!

I appreciate many got their hands burnt last time, but things have moved on.... Why are Labour MPs being so pathetic and cowardly....

I think it’s too late now. They had their chance when May resigned, but to go through a Leadership election now in the run up to Halloween would be irresponsible and be even more destructive for it.... yet, even this may be the least worst course of action for it.

Any ideas?

[DullPortraits]

@Fucket JC is absolutely anti Europe and pro brexit and it's exactly why he has done bugger all the last 3 years to oppose it. He just doesn't want to be the person responsible for it. He will be laughing and rubbing his hands together behind closed doors when we leave with no deal on 31st oct.

[Fucket]

Labour Party have no clear line on Brexit. Most labour constituents voted to Leave, yet at the same time they have to play to Remainers.

I believe once Brexit has happened they will stick the knife in and blame him for everything.

I actually think JC is pro Brexit and wants BoJo to succeed.

[Decormad38]

Why has there been no attempt to remove Johnson? Because politics if **

[frumpety]

Boris is PM , he is one of the main reasons that leave won the campaign back in 2016, although Dominic Cummings campaign was absolutely stunningly brilliant and without it Boris would not have been anywhere near as successful. Boris needs to be the person who 'delivers' Brexit and all that will entail , deal or no deal. Boris also needs to be the person who might not 'deliver' Brexit, he is the one person who potentially could call the whole thing off and get away with it.

[BeardedMum]

And ditch JC!

[BeardedMum]

I hold labour and JC just as a responsible for a no deal as the tories. If they truly wanted no more austerity, they would fight to remain.

[ListeningQuietly]

Corbyn is not popular with anybody whose politics are away from the fringes.
ERG love him as he is their bogeyman
Momentum love him because they think we are still in the 1970s

Lexiters like him are deluded
but want the Tories to do their dirty work

[Alltheprettyseahorses]

Corbyn doesn't appeal to grassroots Labour members. If the 2016 leadership election had been restricted to pre-2015 members, Smith would have won with around 2/3 of the vote.

[Topseyt]

Isn't at least part of the problem that the Parliamentary Labour Party has found itself at odds with much of it's grassroots membership?

Corbyn's leadership was challenged by his own MPs in the wake of the Brexshit Referendum result back in 2016, but the grassroots (mainly, though he does have some parliamentary support too) voted him back in.

That and the conundrum over how to approach Brexit. Quite a lot of Labour's MPs are pro-remain, but many are have their seats in strongly Leave areas. So grassroots may (with exceptions, of course) be quite strongly Leave, whereas many of it's MPs prefer Remain.

I would like Labour to join with the LibDems and other parties to properly oppose Brexshit, but they are scared of upsetting the grassroots too much.

[Oakenbeach]

@NoBaggyPants

If you look outside the Mumsnet bubble he's not "deeply unpopular"

Really? 26% approval ratings... and that’s one of the more positive ones! He was less popular than TM towards the end of her premiership!

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Jeremy_Corbyn

[bellinisurge]

"But no one on the extreme remain or extreme Brexit sides would compromise, so we continue as divided as ever."
Bad news. Happy to compromise on a GFA compatible Brexit. Not on Corbyn. I'm old . Always voted Labour. Not with him and his sixth form politics pals in charge .

[NoBaggyPants]

(And Rebecca Long Bailey is lovely, a good person with an excellent knowledge base. I'm not aware that she is being lined up for anything at this time, if you see her about it's because she's a member of the shadow cabinet.)

[NoBaggyPants]

If you look outside the Mumsnet bubble he's not "deeply unpopular". Certainly not as popular as he was, but he still has a broad and strong following. You can see that if you go to any of his events. And it's sod all to do with Momentum, Corbyn's core support have been party members for years.

I agree that the Brexit mess has been badly handled, but it's an impossible win for Labour. Now they've moved away from trying to find a compromise and are supporting remain they've lost voters in the Labour heartlands, who now feel betrayed and unheard.

For the record, I'm a Labour member who has held regional office, so am well aware of our membership and our voter base. I've never been a Momentum member. I'm pro remain but was willing to compromise in the hope of mending our horribly divided nation. But no one on the extreme remain or extreme Brexit sides would compromise, so we continue as divided as ever.

[MockerstheFeManist]

Back in 1935, pacifist George Lansbury had the self-awareness to realise the party needed a more mainstream leader who coud win an election. No such of such foresight from Jezza.

Meanwhile, it seems Jezza's Office have that charismatic beacon Rebecca Long Bailey lined up as his sucessor.

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

Starmer, Benn, Cooper, 90%+ of the parliamentary party?

New Labour or "centrism" within the party is currently dead as a political force. The Ed Miliband defeat in 2015 should tell you as much. Working class Labour voters do not want more austerity and pandering to neo liberal economic policy that has seen them trodden on for 40 years.

The problem for the centre is they've ridden economic storms relatively well whilst poorer communities have been thrown under a bus. It was usually the tories doing this but they were joined by a supposedly moral and liberal party in 2010. Now Brexit threatens better off liberal households, this group want a return to 2010 (liberal conservatism) to save their own arses from the Brexit fall out at the expense of the worse off. Again.

[Peregrina]

Keep the policies but ditch Corbyn. It needs someone who can call out Johnson for the bullshitter that he is.

[nonsenceagain]

I hope Corbyn recognises that he isn’t the person to lead Labour into government and stands down. He did his bit but it’s time for someone who can manage the Party and MPs and get a proper grip on anti-semitism and Brexit while keeping the radical economic policy Labour has set out. It might not be fair, but it would be best for a country that desperately needs a Labour government. I’d be happy with Thornberry or Starmer.

[Oakenbeach]

And who do you suggest would take his place?

Starmer, Benn, Cooper, 90%+ of the parliamentary party?

[CCquavers]

And who do you suggest would take his place?

He does have a following much the same as brexit where people are less vocal. You don’t need to shout and ball when you have what you want.

I can only hope that behind the scenes Labour are out looking for potential new leaders and training them up.

[GhostofFrankGrimes]

He was elected by the Labour membership. His social democratic policies are popular with those that understand how the last 40 years of neo liberal economic policy helped bring the UK to the point of Brexit.

Centrists seem to want to ignore this, the battle to stop Brexit appears to trump addressing disgruntled voters in deprived areas who got hammered economically by Thatcherism and then hammered socially and economically by the coalition government.

The fight is not about saving the DC's right to travel across Europe on a gap year it is for the soul of the UK. What sort of Britain do you want to live in? The small state that promotes the inequality of individualism or a fairer society built around good public services?

[Oakenbeach]

This is all a gift for the LibDems.... If they can’t make a breakthrough with BJ as PM, JC and Labour leader, and this Brexit shitstorm, they never will.

They’ll very likely be some serious tactical voting at a GE that will boost their seats, similar to 1997 (where they got 46 seats and 16% of the vote) but on a grander scale.

[Songsofexperience]

Well, you may be right. If you are, I can say I despise them. They will never have my vote and I suspect I'm not alone here.

[DullPortraits]

@Songsofexperience well i don't see much "opposition" going on do you? Also they should have wiped the floor in the last snap election and didn't and they prob wouldn't win if there was a snap election tomorrow even with all the crap we have put up with the last few years and will continue to put up with now BJ is PM and with Brexit. They in my opinion are purposefully holding back so they can come out as heroes when this current government goes to shit.

[megletthesecond]

I have no idea. I often wonder this .

[Songsofexperience]

dullportraits That would truly be as despicable and cynical as the Tory strategy: you don't let the country go to shit just because there's an opportunity for power.