The price conservative members will pay to get Brexit

[GrouchoMrx]

The diagram says it all.

[ssd]

Yes it does feel like that.

[1tisILeClerc]

From the minute the result of the referendum was announced in 2016, many people realised the enormity of the problem of actually disentangling the UK from the EU. There are of course vested interests in taking discussions in opposing directions (disaster capitalism being one) but no one is able to close Pandora's box, so it is one diversion tactic after another to avoid having to make a decision.

[ssd]

And another thing, are the media ever going to ask anyone outside the shires of England their opinions on this?
All I see are English people being asked their opinions? What about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland? I've hardly seen anyone from outside England being asked.. As for young people being asked their opinion it almost never happens.

[ssd]

What I don't get is why are we having this countdown to the new PM ? Brexit was one vote and that's it. A general election is one vote and that's it. This carry on is a vote then a debate then a vote then a debate then a vote then a debate..... And on it goes.
It's like a continuous advert for the tory party. All they are doing is putting off sorting or discussing Brexit. There's nothing about what will happen, only the latest countdown. Don't the party have a policy on what will happen, does the PM get to make what they want happen??
It's way beyond a total joke now.

[Peregrina]

Not all baby boomers have generous pensions - it's mostly men who do. Women tended to miss out, and when we started working lots of better paid areas of work were effectively closed to us.

I believe also that joining the then Common Market meant that different wage rates for men and women had to go. Up to then it was quite common to pay a woman half that of a man. Well of course, the BBC still do that so we still have a long way to go.

[RosaWaiting]

"If there was any justice it would be those who say it’s a price worth paying that are the ones who get cancer."

WTAF.

[Theworldisfullofgs]

Its like they have joined a fucking cult.

They have.

[Ellie56]

I saw this the other day and was truly . I cannot believe people of my generation are so unbelievably selfish, narrow minded and stupid!

It's like they've all been brainwashed.

David Cameron has so much to answer for...

[BackInTime]

I agree re baby boomer generation, my personal experience of leavers is Tory voting PIL, work colleagues and clients of this generation. They are all very much in the I'm alright Jack bubble having benefited from huge house price rises, inheritances and generous pensions. They simply have no comprehension of how difficult it is for the younger generations in today's world trying to make ends meet. That they are willing to inflict harm through economic turmoil on their children and grandchildren is truly despicable.

[Songsofexperience]

the pension age generation, who dont care (and before anyone objects this is my experience)

I don't want to tar every one with the same brush as I know many very decent Boomers (not least my own parents!). However I think a large portion of that generation took the 60s/70s hedonism as an excuse for unfettered selfishness without consideration for anyone or anything else.
These people are basically human locusts. Sadly.

[rosie39forever]

The attitude of I don't care It won't affect me makes me so sad, what the hell has happened to this country that no one gives a shit about anything outside of their bubble. A lot of people blame consumer society and advance in technology for this but in my experience it's not the young tech savvy younger generation that think like this it's the pension age generation, who dont care (and before anyone objects this is my experience)

[sashh]

rosie39forever

I explained that no pacemakers are made in the UK so there could be similar problems, they shrugged and said, "Well I don't need one so I don't care".

This is someone who's business is gel nails, something that is a luxury so wil be imparcted if we are all paying more for food and utilities.

[Peregrina]

I am one of the baby boomer generation, and I think those that think their pensions will be protected could well find that they are deluding themselves. They might not be the first to be cut, but cuts will come.

I am not at all surprised by Leave UK voters wanting the break up of the UK - we have seen posters on here not realising that NI is part of the UK.

[1tisILeClerc]

{no blocs, no federations - just places with people that live there.}

So what 'level' would you propose? A world regime like Russia, China, or N Korea?
The EU as a bloc of primarily Western Europeans but have expanded to the East to try and improve the livelihoods of Latvians, Romanians etc, encouraged by previous UK governments I would add.
The EU as a 'body' is not really set up as a military force in the way that the separate countries within it are. If, say the Russians were to reinvade Poland, then Poland can request assistance from other EU countries, be it diplomatic pressure from Brussels, or materials or military personnel etc.

[KennDodd]

And the break up of the UK. I follow Vote Leave on FB I'm not surprised by the survey at all. Leavers (most I know or see ol) don't give a shit about the peace in NI either.

[TheSultanofPingu]

I mean serious damage to the UK economy.

[TheSultanofPingu]

It's absolutely crazy!
The 61% who are willing to risk a serious economic downturn will no doubt be protected in their wealthy bubble. Selfish twats.

[HateIsNotGood]

Nope - I don't recall any of my parents or grandparents, all of whom lived (some fought) through WW2 (one fought in WW1) who ever, ever said those Wars, or any War, were a good thing at all; if anything, War was discussed, if ever, in negative terms.

Maybe that is why I've upheld Peace as the paramount thing since I can remember, and later, as I got to know the younger Uncles, surviving Aden, Korea and Vietnam and then the friends, surviving NI, Iran, Afghanistan....the EU hasn't stopped it really...just created another border to defend and fight for.

It's either a truly borderless world or one made up of many, many countries - no blocs, no federations - just places with people that live there. The EU counters that ideal and doesn't forward it.

[Peregrina]

My now 96 year old MIL voted Remain (all our other parents had passed away). This is despite reading the Daily Mail.

DH says he voted Remain but is now a Lexiter and says that left wing Leavers have no one to vote for. Yes they do - Labour, but he won't hear that this is at best a fence sitting party, not a Remain party.

DF used to talk about the war - he lived in Hull for part of it - he said they were bombed night after night because the bombers would go over, miss their target and on the return see the city lit up by the Humber Estuary and wham, dump their load. He said it never made the news. People were utterly sick of it.

DM talked about how butchers especially would chop their fingers off rather than give you half an ounce more meat - often known as little Hitlers.

Oh yes, the war was fun! To be fair, I think MIL had a good war - she was married by the time they called her age group up, and she had good quality, interesting and well paid war work. Most of the family who fought returned - so they were relatively lucky .But I have never heard her eulogise about how wonderful it was.

[KennDodd]

I'm sure I've seen some research saying that the WW2 generation, so about 90+ voted Remain at a similar percentage as under 25s. I'll see if I can find it.

[bellinisurge]

It's important to remember that most older Tories are the Children of the wartime generation - baby boomers. Their parents protected them from the reality of WWII and post war rationing. They have never known anything other than the Welfare State. I'm at the tail end of the baby boomer generation and grew up watching uplifting War films on wet Sundays on BBC2. Adventures and noble hearts. Great stuff.
It was only when my parents were at the end of their lives that they opened up about the reality of WWII and post war austerity. My Mum's final vote was for Remain. She had, in her time, abstained from voting or voted Tory (and once for UKIP in their first GE).

[HasThisSoddingNameGoneToo]

I felt sick last night watching the PM candidates chatting about No Deal so casually.

[1tisILeClerc]

{all of those people are lifelong Daily Mail readers.}
To be fair, DM 'readers' only need to be able to count to 2.

[Quellium]

^all of those people are lifelong Daily Mail readers. It's poison.