What does No Deal really mean?

[SmiledWithTheRisingSun]

Interesting post about what No Deal really means:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156574902745499&id=543450498

[Talkinpeece]

ERGIntheGarden is a troll
Do not feed them.

Better to feed the migrant unskilled agricultural workers that the UK has been importing for well over a century

[Mistigri]

The idea that Romanians as a group are synonymous with car washers is racist.

The idea that "low skilled job" = washing cars is offensive.

Many EU citizens in low skilled jobs are doing essential work in jobs that are hard to fill, like care work. Good luck with automating that.

Bellini has a point, but I don't think that this sort of racist shite should be left to stand without response.

[nuttynutjob]

Automatic car wash = ££££ when it breaks down, ££££ maintenance.

[1tisILeClerc]

{EU net immigration is still extremely high by historical standards.}
Depends how far back in history you want to go but the inhabitants of the UK have come from all over Europe and Africa and have enriched the life and culture of the UK. Management of the ebb and flow of people who wish to move is necessary but it needs to be done intelligently and sympathetically, both of which UK governments have failed to do for many years.

[nuttynutjob]

Garden, Carwashing- are you willing to do this type of work? Would your husband/wife or children do this work?

Abbatoir- most workers are EU migrants. Can you or any of your family members do this work and stay in employment? Are you or or family strong enough to withstand the psychological and physical damage of this work. Don't care if you're vegan or vegetarian because there would be someone in your family who had or is a meat eater.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/19/christmas-crisis-kill-dinner-work-abattoir-industry-psychological-physical-damage

Get out of your bubble life and live in reality.

[bellinisurge]

Feed the mansplainer and he/she will gush.
Outside isn't much for listening so don't bother anymore.

[Theworldisfullofgs]

outside immigrants bring far more in tax paid than take in benefits. Far more.

And automatic car washers ruin your paintwork.

[AndhowcouldIeverrefuse]

Wow outside I hadn't read stuff like that since the referendum campaign. I am expecting the £350-million-a-week-for-the-NHS thing to be trotted out any time now

[OutsideInTheGarden]

prettybird - EU net immigration is still extremely high by historical standards.
I don't deny non-EU immigration is absolutely sky-high and unsustainably so. Bliar started that off to rub the right's noses in diversity, in the process alienating Labour's core voters. This, combined with Brown wreaking havoc on the economy as Chancellor with his tax credits, raids on pensions whilst letting the financial sector run riot has caused untold and unnecessary damage that has taken a decade to even scratch the surface in terms of repairing it.

[Mistigri]

^Yet more Remainer lies. Net EU migration is still running at 87,000 (up to March 2018). Yes that's right, 87,000 more EUers came to the UK than left it, last year.
Individual EUers may have left (I know a couple - both went for family breakup reasons) but more are still coming in.

You are either ignorant of this fact or are deliberately lying^

Those are estimates, not facts, and quite problematic ones too. Much better to look at the trend than the absolute numbers.

If you take the numbers at face value, net EU2 migration (migrants most likely to take unskilled jobs) is now close to zero. EU8 and EU14 numbers are falling sharply.

It's quite possible EU net migration will be close to zero before Brexit happens and that is not a good thing, at all, for the UK. Migrants tend to be younger and healthier than UK citizens; they are more likely to be in work and they often do shortage occupations that cannot be filled by locals.

[prettybird]

People can make their own judgement about the trends of EU immigration.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

Back to the levels of 2013 - while non-EU immigration remains steady.

[1tisILeClerc]

{I see. Ignore or dismiss any evidence that conflicts with your pre-determined views. Excellent.}
OutsideInTheGarden:
They were other peoples views from a variety of sources combined with a small thought about what could be happening.
In the end I don't give a damn what you think (if indeed you are capable of thinking) but I have concern for everyone else in the UK.

[OutsideInTheGarden]

Talkinpeace - "
EU migrants are heading back to the mainland and leaving us to pick our own veg and clean our own care homes and serve our own cafeteria meals."

Yet more Remainer lies. Net EU migration is still running at 87,000 (up to March 2018). Yes that's right, 87,000 more EUers came to the UK than left it, last year.
Individual EUers may have left (I know a couple - both went for family breakup reasons) but more are still coming in.

You are either ignorant of this fact or are deliberately lying

[OutsideInTheGarden]

fishesaPlenty - what's the point of that graph? It's only over the last 3-4 years and doesn't tell you anything. So UK growth was higher and is now lower than the EU average.
The UK economy, not being in the euro, being far more internationally-focused, with a much larger financial services sector etc is not the same as the European economies.
Our business cycle has never been in lock-step with the other EU countries. It's an entirely meaningless graph.

[Talkinpeece]

ERGinthegarden is a troll. I can see that. But their views have to be rebutted for the sake of other posters.

[Talkstotrees]

ERGinthegarden doesn’t seem to understand the causes of homelessness.

This might help.

//www.crisis.org.uk/media/238700/homelessness_monitor_england_2018.pdf

[Talkinpeece]

People are homeless because of the Universal Credit and the benefits cap, not because of immigration.

There are 500,000 empty homes in the UK
There are 1,000,000 second and third homes in the UK

but because Landlords no longer get HB paid directly to them in UC areas, they will not take people on HB so the most vulnerable end up sleeping rough.

Go talk to your local homeless day shelter if you do not believe me.

EU migrants are heading back to the mainland and leaving us to pick our own veg and clean our own care homes and serve our own cafeteria meals.

[OutsideInTheGarden]

1tisILeClerc -"Jobs may be at a 'high' but the VALUE of the jobs has fallen. Sales may be up, but much of this is in preparation for the uncertainty ahead. "

I see. Ignore or dismiss any evidence that conflicts with your pre-determined views. Excellent.

What could cause a fall in wages I wonder? Perhaps a larger labour supply. My Ladybird book of economics has a page or two on supply and demand.
Apparently the laws of supply and demand don't apply to the labour force.
Sure.

[OutsideInTheGarden]

talkstotrees - "My small midlands town has several rough sleepers now - 8-10 most nights. I never remember seeing any until about 6 years ago"

Yes. We are importing homeless people. They aren't really homeless, just in the wrong country.

[OutsideInTheGarden]

nuttynutjob - "There are far more homeless people in the street since 2008.

The NHS is buckling already (I work in the NHS and know how bad it has been since 2008)"

If that is so then one might question the wisdom of unfettered immigration.
If your house was full would you invite 50 more people into it?

[Daddybegood]

...and this guy has found another good reason to get on with brexit

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[Daddybegood]

...and here is that picture again that shows how happy another collapse in sterling (under a no deal scenario) will make some people

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/335am-june-24-2016-sterling-is-in-freefall-and-nigel-farage-is-beaming-picture-exclusive-1-5580360

[1tisILeClerc]

The 'theatre' that is the government's disclose this, reveal that, up and down will be racking up the hedge fund profits as just described above.
Possibility of a big crash at the end is just the icing on the cake (that 99.99% won't be getting).

The Union 'Jack' is only a 'Jack' when it is flown from a sailing vessel, otherwise it is just the union flag.

[Daddybegood]

Well said bubbles buddy, except some will benefit from crashing the economy. Crispin Odey reportedly made £300million on the night of the referendum by shorting sterling and would dearly love to see a similar sterling crash on 29th march. Hedge funds make money on the way up and the way down. They make billions by trading volatility and exploiting mispriced opportunities.
Similarly all those who benefit from offshore tax havens, particularly investment trusts, in British overseas territories don't want the EU clamping down on them and forcing them to pay their taxes to the UK exchequer.
And finally there are the disaster capitalists who would love to see the economy crashing because they get assets cheaper and can invest in 'rebuilding'...
But for the other 99% of us who have jobs to lose, rely on NHS, police, peace in NI, education, pensions, medications, maybe like a foreign holiday once a year, a no deal scenario is truly dire...but it seems for some of the 99% waving a union Jack flag is worth the hit