Does Jeremy need to write an AIBU?

[RebeccaNoodles]

This is not a leading question, I genuinely don't know and my brain is fried as the time of this post will indicate.

I feel like Jeremy's AIBU would be 'I was elected by 251,417 people in 2015 and that's my Mandate and I will represent them forever. I know there were 9 million plus people who voted for Some Kind of Functioning Labour Party but that's democracy for you. And, drip feed, some 16 million people voted for something else again, separate issue, don't want to get into it [please please let's not - ed] but I was only ever 7 out of 10 on that. AIBU?'

But honestly, I'm so confused now, maybe that's unfair? Is he really our best hope?

I feel like the left, whatever that even means now, has been so traumatised post Iraq, and by the shoddiness as well as the success of the Blair era, that we really, really need to feel that someone still has integrity. And he does. Doesn't he? Maybe he's just ineffectual. Or is he? There is a definite media bias against him. But is it all media bias? Actually, don't answer that: I don't think it is, really.

I used to love him. But now I feel despair as I watch the party implode under his peaceful gaze, while he tends his allotment in which all his supporting MPs could easily fit.

Jeremy will I think win the leadership election. But then what? How does he form a proper opposition party with 30 or 40 actual MPs that want to work with him? Does he deselect 172 people and how does that even work without leading to a wipe-out in a general election? I used to believe in the 'Progressive Alliance' but if Labour can't form an alliance with itself, how on earth will they do it with anyone else? How will the country manage without an actual opposition? Won't the Conservatives even find it weird?

I guess it would help if anyone had a good successor in place. Why doesn't he anoint someone like Clive Lewis? He's quite good, I think. He seems better than Owen Whatsit but again, I don't know!

Either way, the party is now separated, separate bedrooms, and we're heading for a horrible divorce. Both people will want everything: funds, supporters, the soul of the party. The legal battle will ... I can't even. I think I almost want Jeremy to keep the house, ie Labour, and Everyone Else goes off, spends a few years in the wilderness, getting their shit together and practising some radical humility, and comes back as the Equality Party to start again and make everything better.

But equally, I don't know anything any more. Help! Thoughts?

[Valentine2]

I haven't RTFT. But I think we need to really really consider the point I have seen in real life and on mumsnet now too: he has a huge following in the youngsters. They came out in droves to vote Remain. Nearly twice as much as in the last GE. They are mighty pissed at the Refrendum result too. So I won't bet on anything just yet. I agree he isn't the kind of leader who passes orders around probably. But I have had enough of the most arrogant body language of Cameron and now May. I think Labour under Corbyn will still surprise us in 2020. I have a feeling youngsters will be a major part of it. And if it turns out to be true, I would wholeheartedly back them no matter what. They have to see harder times. They deserve to be heard.

[Valentine2]

tiggytape
Any idea what was the other point he disliked EU for? I know one point was was his idea that we need to renationalise railways to stop the private contractors robbing public by increasing fares way beyond inflation every year. EU put a lot of red tape against it according to my understanding. i back him on that one though.
Cant remember what the other point was?
He said these two were his only issues with EU.

[GiddyOnZackHunt]

tiggy bollocks is it far left to be 'Euro Sceptic'. It's the origins of the ILP. We were protectionist for jobs. The ILP grew out of Chatrtism and Unionist movements by the workers and for the workers. If you're in Redcar, Port Talbot or Maesteg and you have no job, who do you blame? How internationalist do you feel? Those are the people voting UKIP and Brexit.
It's not far left. The Labour Party was never a pile of equality. It was about a decent standard of life for the working man Labour was reactionary and protectionist. UKIP are unpalatably closer to the origins of the ILP than anyone would let on.

[crazyhead]

I do blame Corbyn deeply for the referendum result. I also blame a number of other obvious Tories (in some cases more and in some less) but I've never voted Conservative so it feels less of a betrayal. For me, any Labour leader that didn't campaign passionately and compellingly for Remain would be an utter failure to me. Most would have done a way better job than Corbyn.

[lljkk]

There are many online articles (reputable news sources) that describe Remain events that Cameron was invited to, or Remain campaign messages he was asked to Promote, and he declined. It's implied that Cameron did things like ( like, I haven't seen precise diary specifics) go to Free Palestine fundraisers or Momentum rallies instead of the Remain events he was invited to. You can make of that what you will, wrt Corbyn's priorities.

I suppose Corbyn doesn't mind Brexit, really.

[Valentine2]

Thanks for the reply tiggy
crazyhead
My point is this: if he is the leader, he is actually supposed to get help from his team that is PLP. The PLP knows exactly what is going on in their areas, they are the ones responsible to actually raise the alarm first and hold responsibility? For me it goes: ok you were the Labour MP from Sunderland (for example), you fucked up and so did your leader so both of you should resign now. Why is no MP from those areas is taking responsibility ? Besides, no one has answered my question. What was the other policy on which he wanted to reform EU? Since his first policy (renationalise railways) looks absolutely solid I me, I am really interested to know the other because it can't be that bad either? But again, there is no coverage and nothing there. As for Left being euroscpetic and looking at EU as a Tory thing, I don't think that is a very plausible explanation. Is there any statistics for it?

[Valentine2]

lljkk and craxyhead
I have read this study published from LSE last week that says Corbyn has been given a terrible time in the media even for a Labour leader. And no there is no comparison to Kinnock etc. This study said it was not an example of unethical journalism anymore, it was downright undemocratic and dangerous to democracy at many levels.
This is the reference:
www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-attacks-75-per-cent-three-quarters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html%3famp?client=safari#
I am one of the people who have absolutely no idea what is going on in his head compared to the previous labour leaders. This study explains this very well. So I will be extremely cautious in labelling him as pro BREXIT just because there was a visible "lack" of his presence in Remain camp because it's apparent from this study that there is this organised effort to make and keep him invisible and unstable?

[Valentine2]

And I have thoroughly read his leadership campaign launch address and his address is every bit Pro EU as Cameron's or any other mainstream leader of a party.

[GiddyOnZackHunt]

So really your question is why aren't MPs (of all parties?) who were declared Remainers and therefore on the losing side resigning? Is that right?

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

I think Labour under Corbyn will still surprise us in 2020.

Suprise us by wiping out the Labour party?

He has the worse polling record of and leader ever. Labour are behind in polls when every other opposing party at this point in time are in the lead.

He may appeal to younger voters yes they may have voted more in the EURef. However older generations voted in even greater numbers.

He doesn't appeal to the wider electorate. Yes members may have voted for him however 9 million people voted Labour in the last election. This needs to be significantly increased by getting swing and Tory voters next time. Truth is it isn't happening.

Increasing you votes in Labour strongholds does nothing.

Let's not forget that MPs from all sections of the party voted no confidence. Some just as to the left as he is.

Some of the accounts that have been given by MPs are quite damming.

To easy for some to dismiss this by name calling.

[Valentine2]

giddy
No I am saying the MPs from those areas who are asking him to resign for a bad campaign. Because the studies show otherwise. The link I posted shows he is just not given his democratically just time on the media. And the situation is unique to him and not comparable to the previous Labour leaders. Why is it happening?

piglet
Elsewhere on a thread on mumsnet, we have a discussion going on about the demography of voters changing by the next election and the fact that the younger lot that will be eligible to vote is going to be really pissed off t the BREXIT fuck up of Tories.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

Elsewhere on a thread on mumsnet, we have a discussion going on about the demography of voters changing by the next election and the fact that the younger lot that will be eligible to vote is going to be really pissed off t the BREXIT fuck up of Tories.

Demography maybe changing however as a country we aren't hard left and that is what you're expecting people to vote for.

[GiddyOnZackHunt]

No I am saying the MPs from those areas who are asking him to resign for a bad campaign. Because the studies show otherwise
Sorry, can you rephrase that as I don't understand what you're saying. Are you pro Corbyn?

[tonystolemylemon]

Demography maybe changing however as a country we aren't hard left and that is what you're expecting people to vote for.

Is he actually hard left? Or just actually left and not left of centre? Regardless, I don't understand why people think this is a foregone conclusion, countries change and the brexit vote I think shows how much people do want change and something different from the norm. And what I think people see in Jeremy that they don't in other politicians is integrity, people are SO fed up of being lied to.