OMG...childcare mentally damages children!!

[Doesmybumlookbiginthiss]

Just found this site, ok it is actively encouraging stay at home mums but it has complied a list of scientific evidence from many different areas to back their claims up.

Site here: ftmuk.wordpress.com/childcare-research/

The research offered up states that:

Nursery children arrive at school with bad attitude
High working hours lead to family breakdown
Children under three are clearly better off being cared for by their mothers.
Daycare increases maternal employment but not family income
Children in daycare from infancy are less compliant, more aggressive and more likely to have behavioural problems.
Mothers going back to work early leads to slower emotional development in their children
Children in daycare from infancy are less compliant, more aggressive and more likely to have behavioural problems.
Away from mother?s care between 1-5 increase chances of problems later in life
and more!!!

Its such a scary read but so much of my instinct tells me it is true.

Thoughts anyone?

[Doesmybumlookbiginthiss]

I thought this was an ethics forum...where emotive subjects could be discussed without recourse to personal insults...some really helpful replies from others though.

[smornintime]

DS in nursery three days a week since about 11m (now 2 1/2). So far he is fab. No attitude problems, very good communication, I could go on. The nursery is great and he loves going - I think it works well for us as I am happy having a bit of work time and a bit of home time and he possibly does more varied things because he isn't just with me all the time. Also he can make more mess at nursery and I don't have to clean it up...
As for me working not increasing the family income, that's nonsense. If I wasn't making a profit after paying the fees I wouldn't be doing it.
Horses for courses if you ask me.

[edam]

What personal insults? Saying the extreme and unsubstantiated claims of the website you reference are bollocks isn't a personal insult. It's insulting the biased interpretation of the research. And quite right too.

[noddyholder]

Why did you namechange again?

[Doesmybumlookbiginthiss]

Minniebar saying it is bollocks is not a personal insult, I respect your opinion.

However: "Oh do behave"; "Are you this breathy and shocked in real life?"
"How scary to think of all those neglected children dumped in childcare that will torment your own perfectly raised children" "feeling inadequate enough to try and make others feel crap too" "Actually no I can't because your original post presents such wooly research that it only merits insults" "You posting this all over mumsnet and dadsnet is sad. (Actually someone else posted it on dadsnet)
"Good thing you don't read any wider than dodgy Internet sites about relentlessly parochial first world 'problems' or your head would probably explode."

These are not comments I would expect to find in an ethics forum.

[Doesmybumlookbiginthiss]

And I haven't name changed...I am new. Check with the mods...

[Chubfuddler]

Yes your bum does look big.

[meditrina]

There is also research which contradicts the points laid out in the OP.

So there is no single ethical issue here. Just a load of parents doing their best with the hand that life has dealt them. Demonising some of them on the basis of selective quotations from another web-site with a clear partisan agenda really does nothing helpful in terms of the ethos of this site.

[noddyholder]

you were clarice about an hour ago

[openerofjars]

Oh, yawn yawnity yawn yawn.

[bored emoticon]

I'm just off to get a takeaway. Anyone want extra prawn crackers?

[Spero]

Well, I would not expect inane pap served up as 'research, in an 'ethics forum' but I guess I am just going to have to suck it up.

[Doesmybumlookbiginthiss]

Noddy...you obviously have'nt checked with the mods...
Spero...have you read the information on the site...some serious research involving thousands of children from a variety of sources....
Medtrina...all I did was point towards a site, stated how it made me feel and and asked for thoughts....how is that demonising.

It appears that a number of you appear to be unable to discuss these issues or this research either for or against in an ethical manner.

[CotesduRhone]

What a pile of old cobblers.

[fivegomadindorset]

Well bith muy children have been in childcare and show none of th problems that you have quoted in your OP.

[FamiliesShareGerms]

Well, my instinct tells me that bad childcare is bad for children and I'm struggling to find how the quality of the setting was accounted for in any if this research.

I don't think that choosing whether to use childcare or not is really an ethical question, is it?

[meditrina]

I think the demonisation comes from the bias of the site, and your support of it.

[Doesmybumlookbiginthiss]

Families...yes it is as it involves taking a decision regarding a child's welfare. The ethical principles involved are beneficence and non-maleficence.

Meditrina...I would say that it was challenging reading.

[Spero]

Dear op

It is site with an agenda. Do you understand why it is dangerous to rely on such 'research'?

[ivykaty44]

Nursery children arrive at school with bad attitude children that have never been to childcare arrive at school completely hopeless
High working hours lead to family breakdown rows about money are the number one reason for divorce, therefore one parent not working outside the home would contribute to these rows
Children under three are clearly better off being cared for by their mothers.Children are clearly better off being cared for by someone that is interested in childcare and someone that wants a job in childcare is clearly interested in that job, therefore will be a good child care provider for a child
Daycare increases maternal employment but not family income childcare increases the economy of the country
Children in daycare from infancy are less compliant, more aggressive and more likely to have behavioural problems. children that stay home can be aggressive and have behavioural problems
Mothers going back to work early leads to slower emotional development in their children what sample of children going into nursery or childcare have been tested and at what age?
Children in daycare from infancy are less compliant, more aggressive and more likely to have behavioural problems. this has been repeated, why make a point twice?
Away from mother?s care between 1-5 increase chances of problems later in life *what number of adults have been tested? What was the controlled groups numbers and at what age where the adults tested and compared?
and more!!!

[headinhands]

I am and always have been a sahm and can see that the info in the op is a load of propagandist tripe, I mean really. If it was clearly detrimental it would be obvious. You wouldn't need some misogynistic claptrap to make you feel shitty.

[larrygrylls]

Well, it is a valid question and no reason why it cannot be debated. To pretend all childcare options are automatically equal or to assume that childcare is never a compromise between a child's needs and their parents needs is ridiculous. People should be allowed to research it and come to informed opinions. Of course, the problem is that it is close to impossible to exclude other variables from this kind of research.

My own instinct is that child care factories (and some of the nurseries that I have seen are close to this) are not good for young children. However, I cannot see how it could matter whether a child was at home with its mother, father, grandparent, nanny or even a caring childminder without too many mindees. I can say that our 2.10 year old is even now tired after his 3 hours of pre school nursery and needs to come home and relax with his family for at least a while.

[DialMforMummy]

Just because it says "research" does not mean it is reliable or that the findings are universally true. I find it baffling that people take what has been found in some "research" as gospel.
Whatever happened to common sense?

[larrygrylls]

Everyone has different "common sense" about this issue!

[FamiliesShareGerms]

Sorry, OP, maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the ethics of deciding whether to use childcare or not. There are lots of other considerations (personal, financial, societal...) and there may be ethical issues (nurseries paying minimum wage to workers in central London, for example) but the decision on whether one parent stays at home rather than work doesn't raise any ethical concerns for me.

[Doesmybumlookbiginthiss]

ivy...I suggest you go to the site and take some time to read the research articles...it is obvious that you haven't.