This is so fucking shit for young people

[ssd]

Yeah i know its shit for everyone before you pounce on me

But imagine being around 20 just now...no pubs, no nightclubs, no jobs around, no buzz in your town centre, no excuse to dress up in something new, or planning your latest night out, meeting your pals and all the excitement of the night ahead.

Its just so fucking shite.

I got the train home tonight from work, Glasgow city centre is a ghost town. Places that were always busy boarded up, of course everything except like of newsagents and tesco's shut. Its Friday night. It was always jumping when i was young, absolutely jumping. It was dead. On the train was a bunch if young boys, playing music a bit too loud, all singing along....going home from the city centre at 6pm!!!!. I could have cried watching them all, a nice sunny evening and the only place they are heading was back to mum and dads, or a local park maybe, i dont know. They were about 18, casual dressed, haircuts, all wanting a good time with their pals and probably hoping to meet a partner if they were single.

Where is the life for these kids???

This has gone on long enough. I dont care if i never see inside a pub again. I've had a brilliant social life at that age. Now they have fuck all.

Its too much.

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

Er @Rufusthebadgeringreindeer....OP made it clear as you can in this quote of theirs that this thread is discussion of those young people young people who do socialise and drink...I dont see OP specifically saying education here.

Threads like conversations move on

Most posters appear to be talking about all sorts of concerns about young people but obviously now I understand that you just want to specifically talk about young people who want to go out clubbing

I think the issue is more rounded than that, but obviously thats not up for debate on this particular thread

[needadvice54321]

[quote cyclingmad]@needadvice54321

If you read the thread you will some young people who have commented and its ot to say they've enjoyed themselves its to say that going out drinking etc doesn't bother them as much as it seems to bother parents who think they are missing out on their best yrs cos they cant go drinking, clubbing etc[/quote]
Cycling

I have read the whole thread, and posted on it myself.

My comment to you was in response to you basically saying parents coming on here saying their children have had it tough etc are wrong as young people have said otherwise. Said otherwise according to their parents.... ?

Is it only ok for parents to comment who have the same opinion as you?

I believe you are claiming that the negative parents are being over dramatic, how do you know the parents who are being positive aren't playing it down?

I'll repeat as I said upthread, I think this past year has been horrid for most people in some way or another. Some worst than others. Everyone, whatever your age, is entitled to an opinion on how it's made them feel. What's important to one person, may not be important to another, and so what?

My children are very different. I could have posted on here as the two opposite parents.
DS1 is very extroverted, he's the one who I've spoken about up thread - left school last year etc , was hoping to have a driving lesson on his birthday (the audacity of that). Due to our location he spent Nov- Mar not seeing any of his friends. He's hated it, it's been terrible for him - I'm not going to be ashamed to say that.

DS2 is the total opposite, he's very introverted. Has loved home schooling, couldn't give a monkeys that his after school clubs all cancelled as it's less socialising for him to do etc. This lockdown I don't feel has been good for him , but he's been very happy.

Maybe I should have only posted about DS2..

[cyclingmad]

@ssd

I think theres a very small minority of posters here who clearly felt out of place as young people and had a miserable time, projecting their feelings and sneering at youngsters who are clearly missing the life they had before covid. Of course some youngsters dont drink, socialise, mix happily with their peers and generally enjoy their youth, but most do/did, and thats the ones I'm discussing.

Er @Rufusthebadgeringreindeer....OP made it clear as you can in this quote of theirs that this thread is discussion of those young people young people who do socialise and drink...I dont see OP specifically saying education here.

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@MrJollyLivesNextDoor

Oh bless you OP
Watching those poor wretched teens singing along on their way home on the train at 6pm. How will they ever get over this tiny blip in their social lives.

The poor mites.

Even though they are not all that bothered about it so it seems

@cyclingmad

"So I haven't seen anyone directly reply to a young person with disdain."

This post by @MrJollyLivesNextDoor is a reply with disdain to young people.

[1dayatatime]

@cyclingmad

Op you started this thread projecting a certain feeling thst young people are going through even though young people have gone on and said the opposite.

So I haven't seen anyone directly reply to a young person with disdain....its to the adults who are handwringing on behalf of them which turns out doesn't even represent their view.

Given that this is Mumsnet I not that surprised that the majority of responses are from parents and not children/ young people. I know things are tough for young people / children but not so tough that they need to hang out on Mumsnet.

[MrJollyLivesNextDoor]

Oh bless you OP
Watching those poor wretched teens singing along on their way home on the train at 6pm. How will they ever get over this tiny blip in their social lives.

The poor mites.

Even though they are not all that bothered about it so it seems

[MrsPsmalls]

The young people I know have used this to their advantage. All were working in London so flat shares costing around £1000 per month. Now all working from home so moved back with parents and have precisely no outgoings, literally none at all, no travel, no rent to be paid and nothing to do. So all saving upwards of £2000 per month and now all (after over a year) about £30000 better off than they were before. Lots are now achieving decent deposits on smallish flats in the home counties. And good for them. Yes rubbish for those who have lost their jobs, but all these guys seem fine, mainly on graduate schemes. Bit bored, but fine and feeling very rich.

[ssd]

Exactly, kids not going clubbing is the least of their worries....but it would be great if they could....

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

Reading!!

For goodness sake...time for bed!

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

Apologies cycling

I know youve been ready the thread...

[RufustheBadgeringReindeer]

[quote cyclingmad]@needadvice54321

If you read the thread you will some young people who have commented and its ot to say they've enjoyed themselves its to say that going out drinking etc doesn't bother them as much as it seems to bother parents who think they are missing out on their best yrs cos they cant go drinking, clubbing etc[/quote]
If you read the thread you will see that there have been parents concerned over mental health issues exacerbated by covid, exams, the lack of job prospects and potentially the economy causing long lasting issues for young people

Its not all concern cos children cant get pissed and go out clubbing

[savethegrannies]

@Tealightsandd

OP you don't seem to realise that many young people are themselves vulnerable. It's not only elderly people at increased risk from covid. And all young people (vulnerable group or not) are at risk of long covid.

I feel sorry for all ages, including the young. Of the young, I feel most sorry of all for the CEV children, who unlike their peers can't yet start getting back to some kind of normality as places open up..

The young are not vulnerable to covid. To suggest that is just basic disinformation and scaremongering. The graph here shows that beyond doubt.

[cyclingmad]

@needadvice54321

If you read the thread you will some young people who have commented and its ot to say they've enjoyed themselves its to say that going out drinking etc doesn't bother them as much as it seems to bother parents who think they are missing out on their best yrs cos they cant go drinking, clubbing etc

[needadvice54321]

@Tealightsandd

OP you don't seem to realise that many young people are themselves vulnerable. It's not only elderly people at increased risk from covid. And all young people (vulnerable group or not) are at risk of long covid.

I feel sorry for all ages, including the young. Of the young, I feel most sorry of all for the CEV children, who unlike their peers can't yet start getting back to some kind of normality as places open up..

Absolutely

[Tealightsandd]

OP you don't seem to realise that many young people are themselves vulnerable. It's not only elderly people at increased risk from covid. And all young people (vulnerable group or not) are at risk of long covid.

I feel sorry for all ages, including the young. Of the young, I feel most sorry of all for the CEV children, who unlike their peers can't yet start getting back to some kind of normality as places open up..

[needadvice54321]

@cyclingmad

Op you started this thread projecting a certain feeling thst young people are going through even though young people have gone on and said the opposite.

So I haven't seen anyone directly reply to a young person with disdain....its to the adults who are handwringing on behalf of them which turns out doesn't even represent their view.

Young people say the opposite? That they've actually enjoyed this last year? I don't believe for one minute that they are the worst off necessarily, but I can't believe many young adults would say this has been a bed of roses

I doubt anyone would

[cyclingmad]

Op you started this thread projecting a certain feeling thst young people are going through even though young people have gone on and said the opposite.

So I haven't seen anyone directly reply to a young person with disdain....its to the adults who are handwringing on behalf of them which turns out doesn't even represent their view.

[ssd]

@Runmybathforme

Yes, it’s been rough for them, but they have the rest of their lives to make up for all this. When you’re older, every year is precious. I don’t know how many more years I’ll be fit enough to go on holidays, or do any of the many things I enjoy.

Me me me

Thats something I've not heard from the young adult's i know, they are just concerned for the older generation they don't want to pass it on. So they follow guidelines and meet up in the cold and forego the lives they should be living. And even on a thread like this, they get castigated with people giving them no empathy, just disdain, as if this is a blip in their lives. They'll be paying for this forever, and its shit.

[DoNotBringLulu]

irregular can I ask if you were able to carry on with 1 to 1 personal tutor meetings with your students? They could have happened outside 1 to 1, or was that too impravtical?

[irregularegular]

Taking the money, offering very very poor online learning only. No effort has been made AT ALL to offer anything extra, some social distanced/outdoor/whatever learning.

It's not the Universities' fault. We are not allowed to offer any in person teaching at them moment (apart from certain practical courses). Bizarrely, I am allowed to meet my students socially outside in groups of up to six but I am not allowed to teach them!

Autumn term we did do small group, distanced, mask wearing, window open, teaching - it's pretty hard going though!

[Runmybathforme]

Yes, it’s been rough for them, but they have the rest of their lives to make up for all this. When you’re older, every year is precious. I don’t know how many more years I’ll be fit enough to go on holidays, or do any of the many things I enjoy.

[irregularegular]

It wasn't the absence of the prom as such that was the issue. Or certificate evening. But after 7 years in one school, being told one day that schools is closed due to not having enough teachers, and then shortly afterwards that you are not coming back. No proper ending or goodbye at all. That's pretty shit.

[irregularegular]

I absolutely agree. I have a 17 yr old and an 18 yr old in first year of Uni. I also teach at a University. I think it's really hard for them. You don't get these years back. University only lasts 3-4 years. You only turn 18 once. They are supposed to be out exploring and discovering and breaking boundaries. I also think that students in particular have been treated really badly by the government and some parts of the press/social media. There have been long government announcements that mention almost every part of the economy/society and fail to mention universities at all. It is a big sector and an important one. It cannot just turn around on the head of pin - things need to be planned. So much focus on schools (which is good) but then it just falls of a cliff! The 18-19 year olds away from home for the first time are more vulnerable than the 16-17 yr olds who are still at school/college, but they just seem to be ignored. There are the particular difficulties of international students. And the situation of those who just graduated is pretty dire. And worse then being ignored, them seem to get a bashing in the press for being snowflakes/irresponsible if they dare complain or slightly push the rules. There is really no reason now why they can't return to campus and have covid-safe teaching in person. Half of them probably caught covid at the start of the academic year and there were virtually no cases of staff being infected by students.

I watched my daughter valiantly meeting friends 1 to 1 outside in the cold. Then I walk past an elderly-ish neighbour's house and see 4 of them inside having a cuppa and I get really cross!

[Cowbells]

[quote Flyonawalk]@Cowbells I am so happy to read your life-affirming post, and hope your son has happy uni times ahead of this. That is what I am for for my student DC. This has been a very tough year for students.[/quote]
Thank you @Flyonawalk. I hope that for your DC too. So much has been lost that can never be recovered for them - the end of school, the start of uni. I just want them to be given as much as they can to compensate for it,

[Tealightsandd]

Do you have a source for your flu claim. I understood flu tends to be more deadly to the elderly and young babies.

Not sure of your point. Children lose a parent to cancer so it's ok to expose even more children to bereavement? Of course, thanks to our failure to stop the spread of Covid (unlike Australia, New Zealand, and East Asia) I expect we'll see more cases of children losing parents to cancer. The NHS is facing a 5 year treatment backlog.

Or are you referring to the fact that 40% of covid cases at one point were caught on hospital. You're thinking of the children who might've lost a parent to covid, after the parent caught covid in hospital whilst in for cancer treatment?