No biologic mechanism for menstrual changes post-vaccine

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'There is no biologic mechanism that would account for [the] disruption of the menstrual cycle following receipt of the COVID-19 vaccine,' Mark Turrentine, MD, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas, said.

Does anyone else find this not comforting at all? If there is literally no biological mechanism in the vaccine to account for menstrual changes, it basically means no one has a clue what is causing it. Or am I reading that in the wrong way? Should it be comforting?


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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9446907/Some-women-report-heavier-painful-PERIODS-getting-COVID-19-vaccine.html#comments)

[ConstantlyChanging]

Oh good, I knew they'd try to gaslight women about this.

Got my period a week early (and it's weird) after AZ.

[Torvean]

I think ot was Moderna who in all 3 stages had no feedback of menstrual changes.
Ppl have been so worked up over vaccines that stress probably caused any changes.

[Poorlykitten]

@ConstantlyChanging who is trying to gaslight who?

[Terracotta9]

All the blathering on about “stress.”

headaches and nausea are also caused by stress, but we don’t just use that as auto-excuse when people experience them after getting the vaccine.

[CosmicHeat]

Or it could be that they haven't fully/properly tested it and are using everyone as lab rats. They have no idea what their synthetic pathogen is going to do as they have no long term studies or challenge trials. It scares me how willing people are to take an experimental medical technology for a virus with a 99% survival rate and an average age of death of 84

[AppleJane]

Women's hormones fluctuate during their menstrual cycle and affects their immune system. I think it's to ensure the body doesn't reject a fertilised egg although I'm not educated on these matters.

But with the decision to not give AstraZeneca to women under 30 I would like to know if that should be extended to all premenopausal women and maybe women on HRT until we have more information?

If there could be a hormonal link as to why women are experiencing these side effects, we need to look further and not just discount them all as 'stress'. I think I read somewhere that previous vaccines are known to effect women more than men so this shouldn't be surprising to scientists.

I am pro vaccine but recent events means I would feel better having more information before we blanket vaccine all our premenopausal daughters.

[CosmicHeat]

It certainly shouldn't be given to pregnant women or any trying for a baby as you aren't supposed to conceive within two months of taking is, also it has led to a 300% increase in miscarriages in those who were pregnant when taking it.

[Dingleydel]

It certainly shouldn't be given to pregnant women or any trying for a baby as you aren't supposed to conceive within two months of taking is, also it has led to a 300% increase in miscarriages in those who were pregnant when taking it.

Wtf?! My pregnant NHS worker friend was advised to get the vaccine. She was hesitant and I was surprised, thinking that the risk of getting covid with a newborn would be too much. She didn’t take it. Have they changed the guidance now? Covid is being linked to menstrual changes and even early menopause. A friend was told by her doctor that her early menopause was ‘most likely’ a result of bad covid. She wanted another child so it’s been most upsetting.

[MagpiePi]

Like @CovoidOfAllHumanity siad - I heard that lots of people who had taken part in the trials reported side effects after they had received the placebo.

If someone died in a car crash on the way home from having a vaccination there would be people saying it was because of the vaccine.

[Poorlykitten]

@CosmicHeat would really like you to know where are you getting your stats from? Please link.

[AppleJane]

Please can we stop with the car crash comparisons. It's not helpful. Women have real concerns and should be allowed to discuss them without being told the odds of all the different ways we can die as if that is going to make them feel better.

Either there is or there isn't a hormonal link regardless of what bloody car you drive.

[LizzieMacQueen]

Are people yellow carding these?

I'm going to report my changes. Surely we cannot all be ignored.

[Poorlykitten]

@Dingleydel what @CosmicHeat has said is absolutely not based on any facts and is dangerous scaremongering. People should not be spreading this rubbish without thoroughly checking their sources.

[CrunchyCarrot]

There is no biologic mechanism that would account for [the] disruption of the menstrual cycle following receipt of the COVID-19 vaccine

Good to know that's settled, then. (insert heavy sarcasm)

Whilst there will doubtless be some period disruption or oddness due to other reasons like impending menopause or stress, that doesn't necessarily account for every single case. Since Covid can cause problems it's not outside the bounds of possibilities that the vaccine can do it too, hopefully to a lesser degree. If your thyroid hormones get affected by the vaccine then that can and will affect periods.

It certainly demands further investigation, imo.

[Dingleydel]

Poorlykitten I see. Silly me, a quick google shows that spreading fears about miscarriage and fertility is the latest antivax tactic.

[TakeYourFinalPosition]

I ovulated five days late. It could be an incredible coincidence, but everyone medical has said it will be the vaccine, and the GP reported it for me.

It certainly shouldn't be given to pregnant women or any trying for a baby as you aren't supposed to conceive within two months of taking is, also it has led to a 300% increase in miscarriages in those who were pregnant when taking it.

Can you quote any source?

I was offered my second dose yesterday and told it was safe. I had the first dose while TTC, and am now pregnant...

[CosmicHeat]

The honest truth they aren't telling you is they don't know the effects because the appropriate tests haven't been done. I found the data hidden buried deep in a government report in the depths of their website around side effects to the 3 vaccines they are using, it was hard to understand but it shows a marked rise in 'spontaneous abortions' their lovely term for miscarriages.

[Poorlykitten]

@CosmicHeat please link it.

[CosmicHeat]

With regards to the conceiving part it's in the small print of the vaccine paper; the equivalent of the list of instructions, dosage, possible side effects etc you get with every medicine. I'll have to go digging again to see if I relocate the exact paper however if you Google 300% increase in miscarriages due to vaccine it should come up and direct you to the appropriate rabbit hole.

I honestly thought it was exaggerated until I eventually managed to find the paper it was referencing.

[Poorlykitten]

The 300% increase has come from a blog post that has been shared numerous times and totally discredited. That’s the problem with the internet. If you want to link to scientific research that upholds these claims then I’ll read it but not scaremongering rubbish with no basis in fact.

[Dingleydel]

CosmicHeat the only thing that comes up when I google that is fact checks, that say there’s no evidence and it’s misinformation. No medications are ever tested on pregnant women so I don’t see how the advice is any different for this vaccine which is

There is no known risk with giving inactivated virus or bacterial vaccines or toxoids during pregnancy or whilst breast-feeding. However, the COVID-19 vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy, so it has been advised that until more information is available, pregnant women should not routinely have these vaccines. As a matter of caution, COVID-19 vaccine is therefore not routinely advised in pregnancy but there are some circumstances in which the potential benefits of vaccination are particularly important for pregnant women. This may include women who are at very high risk of catching the infection or those with certain medical conditions that put them at high risk of suffering serious complications from COVID-19 infection. In such circumstances, a woman may choose to have COVID-19 vaccine in pregnancy following a discussion with her doctor or nurse.

Seems sensible to me.

[NRCS]

There's not even one case of miscarriage self reported in the yellow card system, and you'd think by chance some people would MC soon after having it. I imagine this because most people aren't having the vaccine in early pregnancy out of caution. What utter tosh to say there have been 300 miscarriages and how irresponsible - worrying poor pg women for nothing. Shame on you.

[FlattestWhite]

I could believe that it's observer bias and stress too.

My period came unexpectedly. If I hadn't noticed that it had started just a hour before the vaccine, I too might have thought there was an association. But there wasn't - or if it was connected, it was because of stress and relief.

And I had Pfizer. If people are getting the effects with different vaccines, none of which had plausible mechanisms to affect periods, let alone both of them, then it seems more likely that it's a placebo effect, or just part of a general stress/tiredness/immune system response effect, in the way that cycles can be a bit late/early when you've been ill.

[Poorlykitten]

I’m really fed up with the amount of misinformation that’s being spread without a thought as to how it may affect those reading it. Yes, it’s fine to have concerns but please do not quote statistics that you have picked up from some random post on social media and post it elsewhere as the ‘the gods honest truth’. It’s not tricky to try and find out where that source has come from and if it’s based in any scientific fact.