Daughter downloaded the app

[Pissedoff1234]

My 16 year old daughter has just downloaded the app. The first time she opened it, it said she had to self isolate.

She hasn't been out of the house since Wednesday. I'm very confused. I've had the app for ages and it's never notified me about anything and when I open it, it just says that it is active and scanning.

[Pissedoff1234]

Her exam is in January. She just needs to do the work for it this year. It probably wasn't the wisest move though. That's kids for you.

[RayOfSunshine2013]

@Pissedoff1234

No, this is saying she has been in contact, app says isolate for 10 days. It's definitely hers as she is devastated she might not be able to go to college as she has an exam after new year so she really needs to be in.

Don’t think downloading the app was the wisest decision if she really has to be in an exam

No app, no phone numbers given = no isolation

[Pissedoff1234]

@MitziK

To meet a friend outside, get a takeaway, exercise, fresh air, light and freedom within the terms of the restrictions.

She's 16, not 6. Or an au pair.

Yeah I obviously didn't list every single place she ever goes as I didn't think it was particularly relevant to the question I was asking although the list is kind of boring as, well, we are in lockdown.

Her friends are at different colleges and work different days and by the time they are home it's too late and dark to meet outside because as you say she is only 16. During the summer she was out most nights with friends.

She does go out as often as she wants to go for a walk or to go to the shop and has met one friend too occasionally. She certainly isn't forced to stay in and I'm also well capable of picking up my own children and going to the shop myself or sending DH. She offers to go, I assume, to get a bit more light and freedom. She probably wants to go to college to hang around a guy she fancies. Now I've realised the reason and that it isn't a problem with the app, I get her reasons completely as I was a teenager once too.

[Catsmother1]

I had an issue with my app in October. I got a notification to self isolate for 9 days as I’d been in contact with someone. The day it made out I’d been in contact with someone who has tested positive The only people I’d been in contact with that day, were my daughter, her boyfriend, and my husband. None had been tested, and my husband doesn’t even have the app. The only thing I could think of, was my phone pinged with someone else’s, when I was in a traffic jam (stationary) for about twenty minutes.

The other thing that happened, was on day 8 of my isolation (yes, I did isolate) was I got another notification which said ‘good news - your test is negative. You can now end your isolation’. I’ve never been tested!! So obviously something is very wrong. I still have the app, so I can scan at pubs etc - but I have turned off the contact tracing bit.

[PseudoBadger]

faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01165/en-us

[PseudoBadger]

Well it really could be

[Comefromaway]

Well I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the app alerted the next door neighbour of a colleague of dh’s straight after he entered his positive test result.

[PseudoBadger]

"It can't differentiate between thin walls in flats"

Says who? You have no way of tracing who has caused the alert. People just look for ways out of isolating.

[MitziK]

To meet a friend outside, get a takeaway, exercise, fresh air, light and freedom within the terms of the restrictions.

She's 16, not 6. Or an au pair.

[theThreeofWeevils]

@MitziK

She isn't allowed anywhere other than college, to do your shopping or to pick your younger children up from school?

No wonder she deleted the app.

So where, in lockdown, do you think she should have been going?

[conkersarebonkers]

Oh, just caught up with the rest of the thread! Mystery solved!

[conkersarebonkers]

Is it possible that she downloaded the app in the past just to see what it was like (therefore enabling the exposure logs/checks), then reinstalled it after asking you if it was OK?

[MitziK]

She isn't allowed anywhere other than college, to do your shopping or to pick your younger children up from school?


No wonder she deleted the app.

[Pissedoff1234]

@insancerre

Thought that’s what must have happened
I’m 53 but still think like a teenager 🤣

Yes you were spot on

[Pissedoff1234]

Yes that was probably misleading, sorry. When I said she isn't allowed out other than to college, I meant to a place where she can socialise and see her friends.

[insancerre]

Thought that’s what must have happened
I’m 53 but still think like a teenager 🤣

[PrivateD00r]

@Pissedoff1234

She will be isolating as that is what the app has told her to do. She was only with her classmates on Wednesday and we have had no communication with the college so figure it must have been on the bus home.

She's 16 so not an adult and sometimes teenagers make the wrong call. I have had stern words with her about the lying but to be honest, she did the right thing in the end without being forced to (as I had no idea) so I'm glad about that. She's usually a rule follower which is probably why she was worried about lying.

Aw bless her. I am sure many adults have done what she did, the only difference being she came clean when the implications were explained to her. She sounds like a good'un to me, I am so sorry she is having to miss college.

[PrivateD00r]

@Pissedoff1234

Mystery solved. She had downloaded the app before, it notified her and as she wanted to go to college and not self isolate, she deleted it.

After our chat about the app during the afternoon she panicked that she had deleted it, reinstalled it and then came to tell me.

She's very sociable and loves being out so that's why she didn't want to self isolate.

She hadn't been out since Wednesday as she does online lessons on Thursday and Friday and we all spent the weekend putting the Christmas decorations up inside and outside. She does go to the shop and picks my younger children up from school on her free days. She certainly isn't holed up in her bedroom the whole time. I have 3 other children who she spends time with too.

Ahh ok, previously you said she isn't allowed out, except to college once a week so I was responding to that. Glad to hear that wasn't correct!

[Pissedoff1234]

She will be isolating as that is what the app has told her to do. She was only with her classmates on Wednesday and we have had no communication with the college so figure it must have been on the bus home.

She's 16 so not an adult and sometimes teenagers make the wrong call. I have had stern words with her about the lying but to be honest, she did the right thing in the end without being forced to (as I had no idea) so I'm glad about that. She's usually a rule follower which is probably why she was worried about lying.

[AcornAutumn]

@MadameMinimes

AcornAutumn- the app doesn’t just tell people to isolate at random. People need to stop spouting nonsense that puts people off of engaging with an important public health tool. I’ve had the app installed and running since September. I work in a school (mostly in Sixth Form with students 16+) and get public transport to and from work. I have not been told to isolate once by the app. If the app tells you to isolate, it’s because you’ve been in close contact with a positive case within 48 hours of them developing symptoms or testing positive if asymptomatic. If you follow the instructions and turn off contact tracing when your phone isn’t with you or if you’re in full PPE or working behind Perspex, then it’s highly unlikely that you will get a notification to isolate without close contact.

No. But it can’t differentiate thin walls in flats for example.

It is not an important public health tool.

[MadameMinimes]

AcornAutumn- the app doesn’t just tell people to isolate at random. People need to stop spouting nonsense that puts people off of engaging with an important public health tool. I’ve had the app installed and running since September. I work in a school (mostly in Sixth Form with students 16+) and get public transport to and from work. I have not been told to isolate once by the app. If the app tells you to isolate, it’s because you’ve been in close contact with a positive case within 48 hours of them developing symptoms or testing positive if asymptomatic. If you follow the instructions and turn off contact tracing when your phone isn’t with you or if you’re in full PPE or working behind Perspex, then it’s highly unlikely that you will get a notification to isolate without close contact.

[AcornAutumn]

@dementedpixie

She had contact on the day she was at college i imagine as thats the timeline for the isolation time she has left. I'd make her isolate for the lying if nothing else

I have a feeling she was worried and confused, I don’t think that merits blame.

[ScrapThatThen]

Well then just have a frank conversation with her - the app isn't compulsory and if she is not going to isolate when it tells her to then there is no point having it. However if school or test and trace tell her to isolate that is a legal responsibility.

[dementedpixie]

She had contact on the day she was at college i imagine as thats the timeline for the isolation time she has left. I'd make her isolate for the lying if nothing else

[AcornAutumn]

@Pissedoff1234

Mystery solved. She had downloaded the app before, it notified her and as she wanted to go to college and not self isolate, she deleted it.

After our chat about the app during the afternoon she panicked that she had deleted it, reinstalled it and then came to tell me.

She's very sociable and loves being out so that's why she didn't want to self isolate.

She hadn't been out since Wednesday as she does online lessons on Thursday and Friday and we all spent the weekend putting the Christmas decorations up inside and outside. She does go to the shop and picks my younger children up from school on her free days. She certainly isn't holed up in her bedroom the whole time. I have 3 other children who she spends time with too.

Oh dear
Just tell her to not have it

Why do you have it? Did she feel she “should” for some reason?

You’ll be in and out of isolation for months with that thing on.