Teachers of infected students not required to self-isolate.

[NebularNerd]

More than one positive case at a local school.

The teachers of these students are not being required to self-isolate.

As a teacher, you can be in a room with an infected individual for at least an hour, with no mask and closer than two metres, and you aren't considered to be at risk.

And yet, if you encounter the same individual anywhere else, the NHS app will suit hat you self-isolate

Teachers are being thrown under the bus so that schools can remain open.

[GnomeOrMistAndIceGuy]

We have 3 positive cases in our school and for the first time I feel absolutely slung under the bus, as a PP said. What's worse for us is that in our area, we cannot even rely on the families to do the right thing and isolate/test as needed. Every day I see kids whose bubbles are meant to be isolating playing in the street outside school. All Summer during lockdown and still now I watch the parents go in and out of each other's houses without a care in the world. So my poor staff who are doing their damnedest to do the right thing are being let down in every possible way. It's not ok. One of our pregnant staff was confirmed last week! My friend teaches in a local secondary and their attitude is horrendous - they have been instructed not to put themselves in a position where they could catch the virus...what position is that exactly?!
Goodwill is running very very thin at the moment.

[Danglingmod]

Yes, I do know that, OP. I am one. It's insane and utterly unfair. I was just commenting that I think the police have it as bad.

[Pomegranatespompom]

Nhs staff also been told to turn off the app ...

[LadyPenelope68]

Teachers have been thrown under the bus since the reopening of schools started. We are just throwaway items☹️

[RepeatSwan]

@RigaBalsam

I had a test on Saturday as a positive pupil was on my front row. Negative but have just lost my taste today but feel fine.

Apparently its less than 2m for 15 mins that triggers isolating.

If you had a test but subsequently lose taste you should probably isolate until you test again. What day were you in contact with the positive case?

[LadyPenelope68]

@GnomeOrMistAndIceGuy
Goodwill is running very very thin at the moment
I’ve decided my goodwill has run out now. I’m doing what I am expected to, the absolute basics and nothing more. I am not going out of my way to do anything extra now.

[NewNameNoName]

We are at 21 cases, including 3 staff. I have been within 2 metres of 4 of them because they approach us and refuse to distance but we do not isolate, and my head was told that we cannot be tested. We also have 4 srudnets on a fixed term exclusion for failing to follow rules and putting staff at risk.

[lazylinguist]

Teachers don't have to isolate because they have a dedicated area they stay in and aren't getting closer than 2 metres to their pupils

Yeah right. I teach in several schools. It is only possible to be 2m from the front row in one of the 5 classrooms I teach in.

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

Maybe all write to your local mp and education secretary is all i can think off
Explain it all and how it is in the real world

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

Although I thought teachers were supposed to be 2 m away
If less then i would ring up nhs for guidance and see what they say then tell schools what they say , they can't go against nhs guidance surely

[OverTheRainbow88]

Teachers don't have to isolate because they have a dedicated area they stay in and aren't getting closer than 2 metres to their pupils


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[GnomeOrMistAndIceGuy]

I’ve decided my goodwill has run out now. I’m doing what I am expected to, the absolute basics and nothing more. I am not going out of my way to do anything extra now.
Agreed - it's really starting to hit me how deeply our school (and others ofc) will be hit by this for literally years. Our attendance is down to about 70% at the moment, mostly through parents too fearful to send their children in. There's a massive language barrier which doesn't help either and to be honest, I get their concerns! But I certainly don't expect to be held to account for a LONG time in the same way that we previously have. A school near us had OFSTED last week - literally unbelieveable.

[Pamelaaaaa]

What type of setting is this exactly and where?
The school I work in had a positive case and the children and all staff in the year group went home for 2 weeks. We are primary though. The person from phe dealing with our school said staff can only be ruled out of isolation if they can say with certainty they haven't been within 1m of the child for longer than 1 minute.

[Lottie2017]

This has happened to me. I have no symptoms and stayed in my area that is 2 metres away, but currently feeling very anxious and uneasy. I don't meet the criteria for testing unless I claim to have one of the symptoms. And yet if I had this contact in a different setting such as a pub, my understanding is that I would be told to isolate which makes me feel even more confused?

[RigaBalsam]

If you had a test but subsequently lose taste you should probably isolate until you test again. What day were you in contact with the positive case?

On Tuesday. Sorry for the drip feed but lose my smell and taste constantly its a thing have been going to docs for for 2 years. I am absent from school though as feel awful still with a headache.

I wouldn't worry if I wasn't with the part isolating class for 2 hours wes and thur.

[RepeatSwan]

@RigaBalsam

If you had a test but subsequently lose taste you should probably isolate until you test again. What day were you in contact with the positive case?

On Tuesday. Sorry for the drip feed but lose my smell and taste constantly its a thing have been going to docs for for 2 years. I am absent from school though as feel awful still with a headache.

I wouldn't worry if I wasn't with the part isolating class for 2 hours wes and thur.

Hmm, your update does make it hard to know what to do. I would probably ask for GP advice as they know your history.

In my view you should prioritise your health, so don't go back until you feel properly well.

Teachers, IMO, have been badly let down by the government and a lot of parents. Take good care

[LadyPenelope68]

@Yetiyoga
Teachers don't have to isolate because they have a dedicated area they stay in and aren't getting closer than 2 metres to their pupils.
Clear you’re not a teacher, try actually being in a classroom before spouting ridiculous comments.

[RepeatSwan]

@LadyPenelope68

I went for a tour of my secondary. There was no distancing. Some was the fault of pupils, but teachers came very close to me, and I saw plenty teaching from the middle of the room.

Teachers just can't distance and do their job right.

I am very cross teachers have been put in this position.

[phlebasconsidered]

What people aren't getting is the manipulation of it. I'm a teacher and I am absolutely expected to mark, work up close to and be with the class as normal. Pressure from the Trust ensures this. However, should I or a pupil be ill, there would also be pressure on me to say that I have consistently been 2m away from the pupils. None of this is explicitly stated to you as a teacher - it's just obvious. The academy trusts are above all else businesses that need to be open.

Just like in politics, there's a lot of weasel words. Staying away from pupils is my responsibility. Making them stay away from each other is also my responsibility. I have to teach and mark as normal and my end of year targets (which dictate my pay) are as normal.

So when i'm told, by senior leaders in offices, toget on and teach and meet targets regardless, what do I do? Say I can't? Say it isn't safe to be up close? (It is impossible to explain long division to a child that is behind without being close).

So we have to do it or be bullied out of a job in many trusts. I don't know any LEA schools now. They might be different. We can't strike because academy school teachers are a different entity and unions have no say over them - they are private businesses.

Did people honestly not think the academisation of schools would be problematic? Because business does social care, equality and welfare SO well... .

I apologise for my tone. I am exhausted and very down about it all. For me and the class.

[SchrodingersUnicorn]

I've had to turn the app off, as have my sixth formers, like NHS workers because we are expected to work too close for too long. Except we don't have any PPE. Secondary is different to primary.
I am 1m from my front row pupils. There is no room for 2m. But because it is '2m where possible' in the government guidelines this is fine.
However, if one of my front row pupils tests positive, I still don't need to isolate because I'm 'distancing' from them ('where possible'). Even if I've had a 2 hour double lesson with them. Those are the guidelines for secondary schools. It is clearly to just keep teachers teaching until they drop regardless of how much it spreads to other staff, students and families.
We also aren't meant to close the whole bubble when a pupil tests positive like in primary, just the pupils sitting around them in lessons. The rest come straight back in the next day. Needless to say, it is spreading.

[Danglingmod]

Well said, Phlebas. You've explained the paradox we're in.

[DazzleMe]

*Teachers don't have to isolate because they have a dedicated area they stay in and aren't getting closer than 2 metres to their pupils

*This is certainly not the case in primary school.

[Danglingmod]

It's not the case in secondary, either. How could it be? But it is the official line.

[RepeatSwan]

@phlebasconsidered yes quite

My children go to an academy, it is what there is locally. But I tell the head all the time I don't agree with them

I hate what's happened structurally to our institutions.

[phlebasconsidered]

It's the same in primary Schrodingers. I'm with my year 6 all day, 32 in a room, up close. But for the purposes of illness - 2 metres! I can't even get that far away unless i'm pancaked against the wall.