Do you think lockdown will be lifted for Christmas?

[BlusteryShowers]

I can't help but feel quietly confident that there will be an announcement some time in December allowing an easing of lockdown measures for a short period over Christmas.

I propose that the govt suspect many would flout rules any way, so they may as well make it Part Of The Plan and take credit for their benevolence.

The timing of the announcement would be interesting. The spending that goes into Christmas is huge and lots of businesses rely on it. Can we even afford a very very low key Christmas?

Does anyone else think this?

[Brakebackcyclebot]

The virus won't take a few days off for Christmas.

[Chaotic45]

I'm in a bubble with over 200 families due to DC's secondary school set up. There's absolutely no way I'm spending Christmas indoors with anyone elderly or vulnerable because the risk of one of us having it via school is considerable.

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

Maybe it will just depend in where we are if figures are very low then they may relax rules a little
And i mean technically depends what rules as of today i could see both sets of parents as one lot in morning one in afternoon, if no household mixing then big difference
We were in lockdown for easter after all , i thought eid was local lockdowns only so not across the country ? And xmas may well be same some areas in lockdown others not

[Heffalooomia]

Well, the virus will be off staying with its virus relatives during Christmas so it will be totally safe to socialise at Christmas of course we should take a break
/s

[mam0918]

I think there will be 'bubbling' for single people/households to pair up with another household and possibly extra support in the form of 'social cafe' type events for the lonely (something they have done here for a while where lonely people with no family can go for a meal on xmas day and be with others in the same situation instead of being home alone) since xmas has the highest suicide rates of the year but I cant imagine they are going to go wild allowing big parties (like work parties or big family meals)

[Lightningrain]

[quote Canyanot]@lunalulu I never said I wanted them to die. I don't wish people to die, just don't feel the need to stop the world, people die everyday that's life and quite frankly, although I don't wish death on people, it won't affect me that much, when it's strangers anyway. Life is too short.

Hope everyone breaks the rules for Christmas xxxxxxxxx[/quote]
What a heartless thing to say. It could just as easily be your daughter, a friend, a relative. These ‘strangers’ are somebody else’s mum/dad/daughter... People dying from this are not all elderly, and there are many young and healthy people still suffering with symptoms months after contracting it.

I hope you’d be willing to forgo hospital treatment for yourself or your family if one of you were to catch it. You seem happy to throw everybody else under the bus.

How do you think the country, and even the world will operate normally if this virus is just allowed to sweep through the population? Your daughter wouldn’t be able to have a normal existence as there would be a shortage of teachers, shop workers, hospitality workers, NHS staff...

[Canyanot]

@LastTrainEast I'm not really worried about me dying 🥴, again myself dying wouldn't warrant the mess this country has got into. Wouldn't expect people to stop living so I can survive, that is what is selfish in my opinion. I function just fine thanks. I'm allowed an opinion different to yours and vice versa.

[LastTrainEast]

[quote Canyanot]@LastTrainEast it's sad yes, but not sad enough to warrant this shit show.[/quote]
I was hoping you would understand that you dying would be a bad thing and would be able to translate that to someone else dying being a bad thing, but clearly you lack that ability.

It's going to be harder for you to function without it.

[doodleygirl]

We have just celebrated Jewish New Year and it has really hit home how strange life is. I obviously knew that anyway and we managed to get through other festivals but this was so much harder. We normally have about 20 people for New Year and there was 3 of us and the zoom guests! Its the first time I have had a proper cry about this shit storm.

I would suggest everyone gets used to the idea of a very different xmas than normal that is if your normal is a large family gathering.

[neveradullmoment99]

They are already preparing the ground for students not travelling home.
Unless things change, i really cannot see it.

[neveradullmoment99]

What will Christmas be like anyway?
With the end of furlough and some people losing their jobs i think there wont be much to celebrate.

[neveradullmoment99]

You only have to look at the figures!!
They are rising and if you think that Boris's idea of shutting pubs is going to cut it, think again!!
We might have some chance if they do what they are doing here in Scotland with families not mixing. It may be too late by then!

[neveradullmoment99]

Definetly not.
In winter the virus will be at its worst. People cooped up inside. Not a chance. I reckon it will be a full lock down over xmas - 3wks.

[ZolaGrey]

@greengreengrass14

Some of the best people spent Christmas in a barn and spent nothing at all.

And there was no need to worry about the restaurant or inn closing at 10 as they were sleeping in an outhouse with the animals...

[Canyanot]

@LastTrainEast also by my logic, I wouldn't restrict the amount of people that could attend a funeral.

[Canyanot]

@LastTrainEast it's sad yes, but not sad enough to warrant this shit show.

[Canyanot]

@ravensoaponarope they won't because Covid is the only thing that exists at moment 🥴🙄

[ravensoaponarope]

I live in Wales and usually spend Christmas with my mum and friend. I hope this will be allowed. I generally become suicidal between Christmas and New Year, I don't think I could cope if i had to spend Christmas alone. I hope they make exceptions for mental health.

[LastTrainEast]

Canyanot I expect this will go over your head, but it's worth a try.

Imagine a funeral with just a couple of people there and your name on the stone and someone saying "well at least it wasn't someone who mattered"

Do you see what's wrong with that?

[Canyanot]

@lunalulu I never said I wanted them to die. I don't wish people to die, just don't feel the need to stop the world, people die everyday that's life and quite frankly, although I don't wish death on people, it won't affect me that much, when it's strangers anyway. Life is too short.

Hope everyone breaks the rules for Christmas xxxxxxxxx

[lunalulu]

If I'm honest (I despise most of the elderly anyway) I don't think a full lockdown was ever the right decision, I'd have been alright with them just letting everyone catch it and allowing the elderly to die off, not exactly got long left to live anyway

Thankfully it wasn't up to you 😂

I'm interested as why people should be despised and killed off because they've survived a long time?

[gamerchick]

@Canyanot

My usual Christmas is 6, 7 now with a small child so we will probably still do that.

However, Christmas is going to be rough for economy. Many businesses will be reliant on the spending boost Christmas usually brings and a lot of those businesses won't survive.

If I'm honest (I despise most of the elderly anyway) I don't think a full lockdown was ever the right decision, I'd have been alright with them just letting everyone catch it and allowing the elderly to die off, not exactly got long left to live anyway. The young vulnerable should be shielded, along with their households. World could do with a good cull, its overpopulated anyway. There has got to be some sort of life for the rest of us, bollocks to picking up the pieces years later for the sake of a small percentage of the population. That said, I think its been blown out of proportion and people have been made to live in fear.

Man, you're going to have a proper love hate relationship with a mirror when you hit the golden age aren't you?

[Canyanot]

@Chaotic45 why would pity the dead when we're up shit creek without a paddle. Lockdown has stuffed many more lives than killed and quite honestly I'm sick of it, I care about me and my own, as well the survivors who are left (vast majority) to pick up the pieces, my daughter's future is far more important to me than 93 year old Doris in the local care home.

[Chaotic45]

@Canyanot that is one of the most sad posts I have ever read on mumsnet. I'm not going to kick back, that would be pointless.