Why do they do this

[Seriouslyaretheythatthick]

N/C on this.

Chat with neighbour . On Sunday she went out for the day with 9 girlfriends. They car shared in 2 cars. All had a really good day she said. So much fun she said. My ds is at school with one of their kids same class bubble. Why do people do that? Cases in our area are going up. Local high school affected. I know it's none of my business but .

[AlphaJura]

It is somewhat true that we won't get rid of the virus until about 90% of the population have even had it or been vaccinated. Infection rates are going up but with school s now open with 100s of kids mixing, I think 9 friends sharing a car isn't the biggest thing to worry about. Death rates have remained low now. This could be because predominantly young people are spreading it and they are affected less severely, it could be because sadly many of the most old and vulnerable to the virus (care homes) have already died from it. It could also be because masks stop people getting as high dose of the virus. Viral load affects how badly a person is affected. So the masks might not stop people getting infected, but ensure people get milder cases.

[Lazypuppy]

@12BabyLlamaZen
But it doesn't make you immune and there are long lasting problems afterwards.

I don't think anyone qill be immune to covid anytime soon. Its something we have to live with, and that beens our immune systems have to learn how to fight it.

@disorganisedsecretsquirrel
And what about those with compromised immune systems that WONT be developing a resistance in this brave new herd immunity world. ? Just sod them because you want a day out with lots of mates ?

This is the same for those people with every infection, COVID has risks, same as other infections do for these people.

[SoManyActivities]

So if you have antibodies, you are not immune to Covid then? Is that because the strain has mutated?

I feel like I am a bit confused about what 'immunity' means? If you are actually immune to a disease, there isn't a forcefield around you that stops it entering your body, it still enters your body and your immune system fights it. At what point are you classed as 'positive' for a disease? Surely if you have antibodies, you can fight the virus and therefore you are 'immune'? What does immunity actually mean?

[sugarlakesville]

[quote Lazypuppy]@ChaChaCha2012 i have no clue what the government are doing.

Everytime you catch an infection like covid, your body produced t cells to help you fight it the next time. Our immune systems have to able to deal with this. Covid isn't going anywhere, and honestly there are plenty of things i'd be far more worried about catching.

Of course there is reinfection, its not the same as chicken pox.[/quote]
What are your medical qualifications?

[TenhillPlace]

Even if you've had COVID you may not have antibodies. As one of the first people to be diagnosed with COVID in the UK my SIL is being used for 'research'. She doesn't have antibodies.

[MrsMayo]

@ChanceChanceChance

As for deaths being low, it was 30 today after many days of single figures?

That's not good. I'm starting to worry.

[megletthesecond]

That would piss me off too.

I'm not at the gym or going to restaurants to do my bit to minimise chances of catching or passing on the virus. I haven't had a social life in over a decade so no change there.

[JS87]

People will soon stop doing things like this (sharing a car a prime example) once cases have gone up significantly and they find themselves having to self isolate for two weeks due to contact with a positive case. Car sharing is one of the things listed by track and trace as close contact
if you have had any close contact with anyone other than members of your household. We are interested in in the 48 hours before you developed symptoms and the time since you developed symptoms. Close contact means:
having face-to-face contact with someone less than 1 metre away (this will include times where you have worn a face covering or a face mask)
spending more than 15 minutes within 2 metres of someone
travelling in a car or other small vehicle with someone (even on a short journey) or close to them on a plane
I am firmly in the camp of protecting others and selfishly also trying to avoid things which might mean I need to self isolate for 14 days.

[Augustbreeze]

Yes I think many don't realise how risky car sharing is.

Immunity to Covid is thought to be short term, a few months only.

[AlphaJura]

Antibodies that can be detected only last about 10 wks. But it doesn't mean that you aren't still immune. There was a study that looked at people getting infected on a boat and people who had previously been infected, did not get infected. There's been a couple of incidences of reinfection, but the second infection was mild and they wouldn't have known they'd had it if not tested (one was at an airport). The virus is mutating slowly, but not enough so far to mean that people would be severely infected again the same season. It might be like flu, where immunity isn't forever but lasts a few years.

[disorganisedsecretsquirrel]

[quote Lazypuppy]@12BabyLlamaZen
But it doesn't make you immune and there are long lasting problems afterwards.

I don't think anyone qill be immune to covid anytime soon. Its something we have to live with, and that beens our immune systems have to learn how to fight it.

@disorganisedsecretsquirrel
And what about those with compromised immune systems that WONT be developing a resistance in this brave new herd immunity world. ? Just sod them because you want a day out with lots of mates ?

This is the same for those people with every infection, COVID has risks, same as other infections do for these people.[/quote]
Ok, fair point. So tell me which infection in the community CURRENTLY.. has a spread of R=1.2 that will kill those with impaired immunosuppressed conditions ?

[FieldsAndSun]

@Rae5647

Seems You’re either in one camp or the other OP. Plenty people don’t care anymore and doing as they please, justifying it with the mindset that they “need to get on with their lives” and a sense of “I know better than the science”.

It’s unfortunate that it is those who follow the rules who suffer for the selfishness of others.

Very frustrating.

It’s unfortunate that it is those who follow the rules who suffer for the selfishness of others.

This

[CathTurnbull]

Because people are selfish- it’s that simple

[Bluelinings]

Well if the second wave does come, at least the Nightingale hospitals will be able to hire lots of doctors off Mumsnet

I agree with you op.

And fair enough that we all have different risk levels but when we all have to send our kids into the same bubbles with no distancing, I don’t think it is so fair

[Lazypuppy]

@disorganisedsecretsquirrel
Ok, fair point. So tell me which infection in the community CURRENTLY.. has a spread of R=1.2 that will kill those with impaired immunosuppressed conditions ?

COVID isn't guaranteed to kill people with immunosuppressed conditions. Odds of serious complications or death is high for these people but its not 100%.
I know of family friends who have died from the common cold because their immune system is compromised.


People seem to think that if they catch COVID they'll die.

[disorganisedsecretsquirrel]

If you had an immunosuppressed condition would YOU be going out ??

[ChickenwingChickenwing]

People seem to think that if they catch COVID they'll die.

There is a risk. It's not just death either. There are people who have been very very seriously ill with Covid. Whilst I might not die I would rather not take my chances with it anyway.

[Seriouslyaretheythatthick]

Interesting changes to rules tonight. If neighbour had been planning her trip next week they'd all have risked fines.

I agree with previous posters about the country basically being divided on this. I know who I'd be more comfortable being in a household bubble with and it certainly is the neighbour.

[MiddlesexGirl]

For info - the new rules -
BBC News - Coronavirus: Social gatherings above six banned in England from 14 September
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131

[LilyPond2]

Completely with you OP - and it's everyone's business when people behave irresponsibly like your neighbour did. It's people like that whose behaviour has forced the government to bring in more specific rules.

[PinkPiranha11]

Good god her, sounds great, wish I had been there! I bet they literally didn’t kill any grannies.

[ParlezVousWronglais]

are you saying the government's plan is herd immunity? They deny that it is.

I don’t think it’s a deliberate ‘plan’ as such. But we may have no choice. It may happen anyway. How do we stop it? Stay locked up permanently? People won’t tolerate that longer term.

[ChanceChanceChance]

@ParlezVousWronglais

are you saying the government's plan is herd immunity? They deny that it is.

I don’t think it’s a deliberate ‘plan’ as such. But we may have no choice. It may happen anyway. How do we stop it? Stay locked up permanently? People won’t tolerate that longer term.

Herd immunity without a vaccine can't work with a virus you can recatch, as with covid. So if it were there plan it would be pretty stupid.

[ChanceChanceChance]

There/their