Do you think if schools aren’t back September there will still be key worker children...

[gingajewel]

.... allowed at school? Do u think key worker children will be allowed in full time in September?

[Pomegranatepompom]

@Educationwhateducation Where did I said people WFH are not working?? I said those currently not working.

It's difficult for a lot of people I agree.

[Xenia]

The country is riven with unfairnesses over this with many working very hard indeed some looking after toddlers all day then working from 8pm to 2am to do their day's work etc . in the night from home and much else. Many don't get furlough, universal credit, self employed money or anything.

[Spinakker]

My DH is a key worker. In a sahm. Up until last week we kept my 2 school age kids at home age 7 and 5, when my reception child started back on Thursday and Friday I thought let's try and see how my 7yo would get on in the key worker bubble. Well actually they ARE doing work. Its no longer just childcare as i read it was before. They as in a small class of 6 or 7 and have at least 2 teachers,! They are doing maths, English, art, the online learning. Even stuff like making a picture out of lentils. The main difference is my 7 year old has come back inspired and enthusiastic about learning again instead of grumpy and despondent and obsessed with his tablet. Of course I'm really happy we can send him. We have a toddler at home as well so we weren't getting much work done with him because there was too much distractions here etc. But I do think it is unfair for children getting none of this. I think schools should have reopened to all personally even if just one day a week it would have made a difference.

[Pomegranatepompom]

The school my DC attend are not teaching the key worker bubbles. They do more of their worksheets with us when they are able to stay home, we only send to school when we absolutely have to.

[Snagscardies]

Spinakker that situation is even more unfair. So you are a sahm and yet as your dh is a keyworker they get to go into school. We both work full time, have worked throughout the Lockdown (as you've always been able to go out to work in England) and have no childcare at all.

[JoanieCash]

This shouldn’t be a race to the bottom. No kid is thriving at the moment. We need some hard science to tell us if kids really are spreaders or not (probably not), then let them get back in there ASAP. With extra checks, absolutely no sneaking in kids with fevers or a slight cough, temperature checks on arrival, extra hand washing and rapid testing when unwell. Drop social distancing in schools but do sensible stuff like not crowding into school assemblies next term. This is really about staff safety and not child safety, but haven’t seen any evidence that keyworker bubbles are collapsing everywhere due to covid transmissions. Hopefully will learn a lot from YR going back soon, to give confidence to bigger opening in September.

[Educationwhateducation]

[quote Pomegranatepompom]@Educationwhateducation Where did I said people WFH are not working?? I said those currently not working.

It's difficult for a lot of people I agree.[/quote]
In almost every post you’ve made you have made the assumption that if parents aren’t key workers then they are not working. You do realise that the majority of parents are not key workers or SAHP but workers either working (and educating) at home or going out to non-essential workplaces because their employers have told them they have to.

[Pomegranatepompom]

No I have not made that assumption. I mentioned easier to home school if furloughed.

I absolutely know that a lot of people are working hard, not just key workers.

[Cookiecrisps]

At my school key worker children are being taught full lessons covering many curriculum areas for full school days with wraparound care before and after school. They have a big advantage compared to the non key worker children at home who are working on open ended projects and more self directed learning. School places are available for vulnerable and disadvantaged children but it has proven really difficult to engage many of these families at my school to send their children back. They receive daily or weekly phone calls depending on level of concern. We would love to have the whole school back full time but it’s not going to happen until social distancing ends due to building size and staff numbers.

[Enderthedragon]

My DH is a key worker. In a sahm. Up until last week we kept my 2 school age kids at home age 7 and 5, when my reception child started back on Thursday and Friday I thought let's try and see how my 7yo would get on in the key worker bubble.

You are brave admitting that on here!

[gingajewel]

I wonder if it has even crossed the governments mind or if they give a shit how this might affect working parent families. I hope schools are back in sept as this is turning into a shit show, it really is.
I asked specifically about key workers as this provision is already there but I did wonder about households that need there child to be in school also.
I agree with a pp we can’t be the only country not sending our children back, it’s an absolute joke!

[Nonotthatdr]

Key worker here (nhs doctor couple). Dd gets not schooling at keyworker care so I have had to drop two days a week of work to teach her then and she goes in for three days when I work. Lots of colleagues are planning to do similar as it’s very hard to do a full shift at work and then come home and have to teach the kids. In a way it’s worse for those with older kids as if they were wfh the older kids could do the work independently in the day. These keyworker kids are watching tv and colouring all day at school and getting home and having to work late in the evening to catch up with the set work from school. It’s madness not to allow them to do the work at school in daytime hours all in the name of fairness

(I’m currently at home as is dd as I have covid and I’m finding having covid and homeschooling easier than working and homeschooling)

[cologne4711]

we can’t be the only country not sending our children back, it’s an absolute joke

It's beginning to look increasingly like we can

[itispersonal]

We have been told Key worker children are now being encouraged to come to school full time now, rather than just when key worker is working. We are also teaching the home learning stuff with them, as there is now enough for own year key worker bubbles.

IMO government made a massive mistake bringing back certain year groups full time and now as schools have had to split these 2/3 ways per class there is no space for all children to return. Don't know where the government thought all the extra classrooms and staff were to magically come from! They would have been better to follow the welsh idea and have all year group come back on a part time basis. Doing 2 days a week, with maybe Wednesday and Saturday as a deep clean behind the two.

[Enderthedragon]

We have been told Key worker children are now being encouraged to come to school full time now, rather than just when key worker is working.

Yes, this is what is happening at our school now as well. Has that come from the government then?

[Littlebelina]

My son has to go in full time or lose his place (even though we don't need full time)

[Concerned7777]

Our school have also said part time for key worker isn't available basically if they don't go in on the Monday they cant rejoin the bubble later in the week

[happinessischocolate]

They will all be back in September, they have to be. If shops like Primark and the pubs and hairdressers are opening up then that's 2 months before the schools go back.

Either that or the death rate will go back up and we'll all be dead by Christmas 🎄

[NeurotrashWarrior]

For clarity, the curriculum was suspended in March.

A huge amount of people appear to have missed this.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

What that means is, no one is setting new learning. KW and vulnerable children are not being taught anything new.

So they're not really being 'taught' even if they're completing work.

They're sitting in the classroom completing tasks they can already do to pass the time.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Vulnerable children may be being targeted around key areas, especially reading.

[CodenameVillanelle]

@Nonotthatdr

Key workers kids don’t get an education . It’s childcare only. No teaching going on, they have to do all the learning after school when they get home

Not at my DS's school!

[Nonotthatdr]

Code

My DDs school said the government had specifically forbidden the teaching or allowing to do the home learning for keyworker children in school. I just don’t get how different schools can interpret the same guidance so differently.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

Code, it's still not new learning. Ofsted and schools have done a lot of work over the last few years around what lessons impart new learning and what lessons are just 'activities.' And then how learning is embedded. That's how lessons are judged.

As I explained, the curriculum is suspended and they may be filling in worksheets and practicing tables and writing some sentences, and things that look impressive but it's not new learning in the way that we are used to. It may be different for targeted children.

Which is why, at home, reading, practicing tables, maybe some handwriting and key skills like that is enough. Online lessons such as white rose maths and bbc are going over prior learning to embed it.

My biggest concern for my child is the lack of friendships and play with peers.

[CodenameVillanelle]

@NeurotrashWarrior

Code, it's still not new learning. Ofsted and schools have done a lot of work over the last few years around what lessons impart new learning and what lessons are just 'activities.' And then how learning is embedded. That's how lessons are judged.

As I explained, the curriculum is suspended and they may be filling in worksheets and practicing tables and writing some sentences, and things that look impressive but it's not new learning in the way that we are used to. It may be different for targeted children.

Which is why, at home, reading, practicing tables, maybe some handwriting and key skills like that is enough. Online lessons such as white rose maths and bbc are going over prior learning to embed it.

My biggest concern for my child is the lack of friendships and play with peers.

Sure, but it's not just childcare. They are doing maths worksheets and have the teacher there to help them through any bits they don't understand. They are doing literacy and project work. They are doing PE. It doesn't have to be new curriculum to be teaching and learning.