Teachers and police are becoming scapegoats for CV frustrations and lack of gov clarity

[LiveGr33n]

Teachers seem to be continually lambasted for schools not being open to all children( you’d think they’d invented CV) and parental struggles with home learning. Now they are even being criticised for following gov guidelines re opening for classes.

Police are now being spat at.

I think gov are to blame for a lot of this. They roll out rules often with very little clarity and a lot of vagueness leaving the police to police them and teachers to produce miracles in extremely difficult circumstances .They are increasingly not answering questions properly during briefings and never once do they stick up for either profession or highlight the fact that they are following their instructions. Presumably because they want themselves to look good and both professions to take the flack.

It stinks.

[ChloeDecker]

There have been many public statements from senior members of the police about the damage the vague and constantly changing statements and guidelines from the government are causing and making their job more difficult than it has to be, so I agree with the point you are making OP.

[Flaxmeadow]

I can't work out how much of it is just a hatred of teachers for what? Projection from their own 30 year old school experiences? Or just ignorance.

No one has said anything hateful

Yet here you are, in the very same post, calling individual posters idiots


They just sound like idiots

[Piggywaspushed]

Oh, that's awful.

My teacher friend has been threatened multiple times recently by students saying they will spit at each other or her and one keeps dramatically coughing. It is very stressful.

Supermarkets round by me are very civilised too, thankfully.

[DahliaDay]

Merely saying that others facing the public daily are also left as ‘scapegoats’ by the government making rules and leaving them to get on with it

I was recently assaulted at work managing the amount of people coming into our store. Man wasn’t happy when we halted the queue as capacity was reached. He pushed me over and went in. Police called etc.

Government sat 2 metre social distancing....all good....perhaps they should come to stores and have a go at managing the public then?

[Whaddyathinkofthis]

Trying to whip up anti teacher support by saying the same thing Faldo accusations over and again whilst ignoring the facts which are patiently explained to you over andagain

I suspect many of the people who do this just feel inadequate and this is the only bit of power they feel they have.

That, and just a complete lack of understanding. They don't paint themselves in a good light.

[Whaddyathinkofthis]

Thank you, OP

It must be exhausting for the teachers on here to constantly say the same things over and over again just to be ignored because someone else has their own agenda

It really is!

I can't work out how much of it is just a hatred of teachers for what? Projection from their own 30 year old school experiences? Or just ignorance.

There are several posters on here asking the same questions and making the same points on multiple threads when I know they've had it explained to them clearly and thoroughly many times. They rarely respond to the explanations if they have no comeback to them and just repeat themselves!

They just sound like idiots.

Those horrid little oiks. How dare they have a different opinion eh? 🤣

An opinion has to he based upon fact for it to be valid - not anger, misinformation and prejudice.

[LiveGr33n]

It’s not a difference of opinion it’s obsessive hounding akin to bullying. Trying to whip up anti teacher support by saying the same thing Faldo accusations over and again whilst ignoring the facts which are patiently explained to you over and again.It’s really unpleasant.

[Flaxmeadow]

There are a few teacher bashing posters who reappear on every thread, raising the same old shit, and not taking any of the patient explanations on board.

There are people on threads who disagree with each other all the time

They're in the same vein as the police-spitters.

Disagreeing with an opinion in an online forum is not the same as spitting on people In the street

They'll always be around because society does have that sort of underbelly

Those horrid little oiks. How dare they have a different opinion eh?

[EachDubh]

I have been hit, scratched, and sneezed/coughed over in last 2 weeks, however i work with kids with additional needs so it comes with the territory 🙂

We have kids who will not wash hands ever and smear fecal matter, blood and saliva when distressed or wanting home. Kids who spit, hut, kick, punch, throw furniture etc. We need to question policies and government ideas because we can't keep other kids or staff safe if we don't. We have a duty of care to the kids and their families to get it as right as we can and to keep them as safe as possible. Our employers have a durty of care to keep staff as safe as possible, trying to marry it all up isn't easy.

[DahliaDay]

Has that recently happened then?

[StaffAssociationRepresentative]

@DahliaDay - well it is not a bundle of laughs breaking up fighting teenagers or having a chair thrown at you in school either

[Piggywaspushed]

How has this already turned into a 'but the supermarket workers' thread? Literally not mentioned in the OP.

FWIW , I am very impressed by most store managers, both in store and at big office, who seem to care about their staff and have thought carefully about how to organise their stores for safety.

[Piggywaspushed]

I think you are correct OP.

It's a distraction technique.

[DahliaDay]

Op you are sadly DELUDED about retail..... and I’m not singling our supermarkets either, other retail outlets exist

Face to face is facing aggression and in some cases violence. It’s getting worse

[StaffAssociationRepresentative]

@SmileEachDay - wish there was a free like button

[SmileEachDay]

I work in retai

Supermarkets had to just get on with it
Yup. Schools too.

No PPE, hard to social distance

Yup. Schools too.


But they didnt complain or refuse to work. Same with the police

If you’ve not expressed concern about your working conditions and the potential impact on the wider community, that’s up to you.
The police officers that I know have engaged thoroughly in conversations about how to best deliver their service whilst also trying to keep the community - and themselves- safe. Their job has changed lots throughout lockdown.

If you’re happy just turning up and doing as your employer tells you without any thought that’s cool - it’s not now I work. I’m going to keep challenging and helping get the best outcome for my kids, staff and wider community (whilst still working full time)

[Barbie222]

I agree with @AnneElliott . There are a few teacher bashing posters who reappear on every thread, raising the same old shit, and not taking any of the patient explanations on board. They're in the same vein as the police-spitters. They'll always be around because society does have that sort of underbelly.

In the real world there has been so much appreciation locally for the plans and arrangements my school has been making, and most people have straight out said they can not imagine how hard it would be to create anything purposeful from the DfE drivel.

[greathat]

Thanks @liv

[greathat]

Oh it's flaxmeadow again. Is there an option to block individual posters on premium?

[LiveGr33n]

Why does it have to be face to face?

And as for real conflict, no enforcing needed in any of the supermarkets I go to. Everybody politely Qs up 2 metres apart,one guy on the door, staff few and far between off tills which is understandable. Aisles pretty empty with few customers due to Qs getting in, stickers on floor and face to face behind Perspex. Haven’t seen a single bit of conflict. It’s positively serene. Not saying it doesn’t happen but to infer it’s a continual situation of high conflict is incorrect. Pretty sure heads will be fielding any direct conflict for schools but the constant criticism in the media and on MN is not ok and it’s unfair.

[StaffAssociationRepresentative]

@LiveGr33n good try. We appreciate you efforts. But the bashers and baiters will now descend

#solidarity

[StaffAssociationRepresentative]

@DahliaDay some are definitely taking flak directly. And after half term even more will be

[DahliaDay]

Teachers aren’t really taking the flack directly now are they? It’s not face to face unlike the police.

And retail staff. Retail workers are trying to enforce the 2 m distancing and manage queues ...... now THATS real conflict

[PrimeroseHillAnnie]

What are you not clear about ?

[LiveGr33n]

Not once has the gov stood up and stuck up for them. Not once have they explained that they have set out legislation and complaints should be directed at them.Teachers and police taking the flack suits them so they sit back and let it happen.