Are these people suicidal or something?

[Musicforsmorks]

I’m fairly laid back about the new travel rules, but a bit stunned by this photo on bbc website.
I was aware people were getting out and about in the sunshine recently and wondered why so much fuss, until I saw this.

I wouldn’t risk this. Maybe they thin k it’s either all over or fake news.

Southend i think.

[janetmendoza]

re the twerps 'jokingly' stealing food from the delivery crates, I was actually quite scared of them. But DS was with me and he takes no prisoners so all the food I think did get to its rightful destinations. Sure the photographer used a telephoto lens, but the beach was heaving. I can absolute guarantee that. No social distancing outside the newly re-opened donut and ice-cream kiosks. No social distancing on the beach. And a lot of people getting off the trains at Westcliff where I was, on big days out from London. It was truly bonkers and surreal when juxtaposed with the fact that some of the people I was delivering to have not been out of their accommodations for 9/10 weeks. I fully expect to see a huge rise in the R number down the c2c line. But we will know in a few weeks

[time4anothername]

I don't think the picture looks dangerous or "suicidal" given how the virus spreads but I do keep wondering where they are all going to the toilet as I heard they are all closed and of course where are they regularly washing their hands? Are people nipping into the sea to relieve themselves, especially the ones with little kids and/or beers in hand?

[QuestionMarkNow]

The photo has been taken in such a way to make you think the beach is crowded and people close together. It's unlikely to be (I am sure the Police would have intervened otherwise).

People are allowed to go to the beach and spend time there.

They are not suicidal. They are follwoing the guidelines (Plus, as mentione din another thread, very very few people under 60yo actually died from covid, unless they had an underlying condition)

[Delatron]

We need to be aware that the media has a certain ‘narrative’. They want us to fear going out or stir up terror and hysteria as that is what sells papers.

It’s best to read research papers and more balanced reports. To arm yourself with the facts and make your own measured choices about your own, personal risk. Without putting others at risk obviously.

[daisymay133]

I think people do see the risk

And for many the risk is now ridiculously low that they take their chances

The longer it goes on the more we learn

In my town and amongst my friends and family I don’t know a single person who’s had it, never mind died and I’m north west which is higher than most UK areas currently

[Delatron]

Agree @daisymay133 I do think people just need to start using their common sense now.

[Raaaa]

People are fed up and just don't see the risk.

[Ultrasoft]

All these pictures are taken to make people look much closer together than they really are.

People are allowed to go to the beach if they stay 2m apart from people from another household and the govt admitted yesterday that there's little risk from being closer in the outdoors.

Plus two (three if we include Scotland) of the government's advisors on this matter don't think the rules are important enough to follow.

So what exactly is everyone doing wrong?

[daisymay133]

Totally agree Delatron

The government have set guidelines which are completely contradictory but they’ve had to set some as they know many people are simply too stupid to apply common sense

And by that I’m not talking about those at the beach! I’m talking about posters on mumsnet who say ‘can I do this?’ ‘Can I do that’ etc

Just use your bloody common sense!! The 2m rule was discussed at the press conference at the start where it was noted that your risk was slightly higher if within 2m for over 15 mins. That’s all

In some countries it’s 1m and others 1.5

Normal people can just keep distance and apply that logic to their everyday life and carry on

Most people with half a brain can see that the risks for most are minuscule and we should avoid those at risk - simple


Others seem to want to be babied throughout this - it’s embarrassing

I see perfectly healthy people in their 30/40 who won’t leave house etc - it’s irrational

[onesmalldog]

No, exactly the opposite, They are people who value freedom, their birthright, and realise that life is for living. Good on 'em.

[CovidicusRex]

Well they’re extremely unlikely to die so no, they’re clearly not suicidal.

[Delatron]

Ok @whitesoxx I personally don’t understand why our guideline is 2m but in other countries it is different. Therefore I think it is an arbitrary figure. At least I can explain and articulate myself. You? 🙄

[whitesoxx]

It's not difficult to understand at all. You don't actually need to understand it. But keep spreading your tripe

[Delatron]

The ‘guidelines’ differ in other countries then. Which makes it quite difficult for people to understand why in our country it is 2m when it’s a different distance In other countries. Or don’t you understand that concept?

Makes a mockery of it really. Especially when we know transmission outside is low.

[LuxLuxLux84]

managedmis my thoughts exactly.

[Lweji]

@InFiveMins
Presumably because people perceive it as risky, and don't want to endure a second lockdown?

[InFiveMins]

I don't know why people let themselves get wound up by stuff like this. Really doesn't bother me that people gathered at the beach. It's none of my business what other people choose to do.

[Lweji]

I don't think there have been any reports of major outbreaks linked to people gathering outdoors.

It depends on the gathering.
Football matches helped spread covid in Italy and Spain.

It depends on how close people are, for how long and how much they share.
People shouting in sport events, standing shoulder to shoulder at music events, sharing planes, cars and trains, are likely to spread it very fast.
Going to the beach in private cars as families or individually, and just hanging about, less of a concern.
But, as I posted earlier, it depends on how people access the beach and how close they are to each other.

[whitesoxx]

"Funny how the science differs in other countries then! What is it 1.5 in Germany is safe but in the U.K. it is 2m that is safe? Yes that makes lots of sense 🙄"

There is literally no point trying to explain it to you is there? The science doesn't differ in other countries.

[thelittlefox]

“Suicidal” would indicate you don’t really comprehend the fatality rate of the disease. It’s likely 0.05 percent and it’s heavily skewed to the over 65s and those with underlying health conditions. Even then it’s a 90 percent t chance of survival. For the overwhelming majority of people it is very mild and the majority don’t even have symptoms.

If the fatality rate is 0.05%, there have already been 70,000,000 cases in the UK. Did you mean something else?

[Worstyear2020]

They are not suicidal, they are just increasing the death of the vunerable people around them.

[Delatron]

Funny how the science differs in other countries then! What is it 1.5 in Germany is safe but in the U.K. it is 2m that is safe? Yes that makes lots of sense 🙄

[MrsFogi]

I don't care - we need to lift this lockdown. However, I don't think it looks much fun being crammed on a beach with that many people!

[whitesoxx]

"The 2m rule is not based on science"

Yes it is. And it's not a "rule"

[whitesoxx]

"I don't think there have been any reports of major outbreaks linked to people gathering outdoors."

You're right. The Cheltenham festival didn't cause any issues whatsoever