"Let our teachers be heroes"

[Hitchyhero]

I've seen the front pages of the daily mail and now the telegraph are attacking teachers unions because they want to ensure that the place is safe.

The headline was 'Let our teachers be heroes'. Frabkly, if it was safe they wouldn't need to be heroes. That headline implies its unsafe to go back and they are taking a risk.

I'm also wondering, as I'm sure teachers are.... How they will implement social distancing in nurseries. My 2 yo toddler was due to start nusury just before the lockdown but that's been delayed. When he does eventually go back when I think it's safe, how will teachers implement social distancing. He needs help with potty training. Most children his age won't have the developmental capacity to social distance. My child touches and kicks everything.

Think it's a bit ridiculous that these papers are attacking unions when they just want to be safe like everyone else. Think they are asking the right questions.

[Hearhoovesthinkzebras]

How can you claim in one breath that the risk of dying is teeny tiny in one breath ohtheroses and then in the next day that no.one knows how many people have had the virus?

That's the whole point. We don't know the death rate because we simply don't have the data. How many people suffer serious long term consequences of this infection?

Maybe before we decide to open up schools and release lockdown it might be a good idea to know more about the actual risks? Of course, all of this data is against the backdrop of lockdown. What will transmission rates be like our of lockdown? What will death rates look like if the NHS is overwhelmed?

[Keepdistance]

It is interesting thar the people who are so anti the teachers are so very poor at maths themselves.
anyway it is not just the chance of dying but of hospitalization too. (If there arent enough beds the ones only needing o2 die too. ..
Plus in a lombary situation over 60 werent ventilated.

[Kitcat122]

Not necessarily as school's have been closed for 7 weeks

[OhTheRoses]

Well 0.3% test positive. We don't know what percentage have had it because there has been too little testing and there isn't antibody testing yet. But it's a teeny teeny risk of catching it according to current data and a teenier risk of dying. If lots and losts of people have had it, an even teenier risk of dying. If children were vectors more of their parents would be dead surely?

[nellodee]

@OhTheRoses that's not how you calculate death rate. Death rate is not, "out of the entire population, what percentage have died from this so far". It's "What percentage of people who catch the virus die."

[FrippEnos]

@Porcupineinwaiting

They might have to change the teacher recruitment line to

'Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam'

[Hippofrog]

I can not believe how much shite the teachers are getting. I’m not a teacher but I have family and friends that are And they are working so hard at the moment. I want to say a huge thank you for everything you are doing for our children and really appreciate you all.

[OhTheRoses]

If 40,000 die: 40,000/66,000,000 x 100 = 0.06%. My apologies not 0.08%. Miniscule nevertheless.

[ineedaholidaynow]

The dinner halls in many schools are going to have to be used as an additional classroom. Our local schools are planning for children to eat in their designated classroom and have packed lunches

[Migimigo]

@OhTheRoses It's nice that you assume I do but I don't work within the education sector. I just whole heartedly support the teachers and have seen the amount of work and support my ds and dd have received during this period. It's definitely helped keep them busy whilst I have actually been out at work, so you're alright thanks my socks are well and truly pulled up! Probably best you retire for the evening before you cast yet more assumptions wildly around.

[nellodee]

I am not sure where this 0.08% comes from?

Here are some rough figures.
Approx 25% of New Yorkers have had the virus.
There are 8.4 million New Yorkers, so 2.1 million have had the virus.
There have been 27,558 deaths in New York.
27,558 / 8,440,000 x 100 = 1.3%

Even if every single person in New York had had the virus, that would still be a death rate of 0.3%

And they haven't.

[Migimigo]

@OhTheRoses and there goes the last shred of your dignity. Enjoy your evening

[OhTheRoses]

Oh, and my overprivileged, well educated children have had nits and worms and when I worked in FE I picked up ringworm. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[OhTheRoses]

Well then mimimigo based on your post you've very little to complain about.

JustJn1 I said I wouldn't be wearing a mask and based on Mimimigo's comments most children aren't feral and muckspreading so there's nothing to worry about is there.

0.08% die from or with covid. Not a great issue. If post graduate uber qualified teachers don't understand the stats that's a far greater issue than theor potential safety in the circumstances.

[wonderstuff]

I'm not a hero. I'm desperate to get back to teaching. Once testing and contact tracing is set up and the R is well below 1 then I think fit and healthy teachers should return.

I think I've had covid and I think I got it at school, I had a very mild case and it totally wiped me out for 2 weeks. One of my students had a temperature over 40 for nearly a week. We absolutely need to be in a position where we can isolate people who have been in contact to stop the spread.

[Justjn1]

@Ohtheroses Your crowded office with adults who know how to social distance, with your protective mask which you will be allowed to wear - the same masks teachers are being told the can't wear. Got it, well done you.

[Migimigo]

@OhTheRoses I'm sure most children on estates don't have social workers. They're not all muck-covered, feral demons. It isn't the victorian era. They could probably teach you to be less judgemental. Maybe if you ventured into one you may see that they are in fact indoors, completing their home learning. The home learning that teachers have set during lockdown.It's clear from your previous posts that you cannot pretend to understand, imagine or empathise with the issues underprivileged children face. I'm sure when you can return to work you will, but for now will stay in the safety of your own home away from snotty, nit riddled, chimney sweeping, cholera carrying council estate children.

[OhTheRoses]

No @migimigo she was eating her supper. If I were a social worker I imagine I'd have reason to venture into an estate. And wouldn't complain about it, but I'm not a social worker.

I would go back to work in my crowded office in London in a heartbeat. I'd wear a mask on the train and not partocularly worry about it.

Chances of dying from Covid-19. 0.08%. Less than 1 tenth of one percent. Society's biggest tragedy and a huge issue for underprivileged children is actually that the average primary school teacher doesn't understand that.

If I were a primary school teacher as a previous poster claims I may say "doesn't fucking understand it" but you know what, I don't tend to use such foul language because I was better brought up.

The teaching fraternity needs to stop whingeing and get back to work and do some research on risk analysis. If you wish get yourselves some masks. Some HCPS need full PPE because they are doing procedures that result in viral aspiration. School teachers will not be doing that and if they are to stay on full pay need to get back to work. Some school teachers may be working flat out digitally but there are enough threads on here where parents haven't had so much as a phone call to indicate that isn't the case across the board.

OTH any school teacher who can't analyse the data probably shouldn't have any responsibility for teaching maths at all.

[Migimigo]

Has @OhTheRoses gone quiet because she's ventured into one of those rough estates and been run over by a 4 year old maniac on a tricycle

[Migimigo]

Well said.

[Porcupineinwaiting]

Weren't about 40% of teachers off with COVID symptoms at lockdown.

No?

[Hearhoovesthinkzebras]

Weren't about 40% of teachers off with covid symptoms at lockdown? How interesting that death rates among teachers are much lower than other categories of worker when so many more must have been infected.

Maybe that was the fault of government guidance - if you, or anyone in your household, had a fever or a persistent cough then you all had to isolate for 14 days. Only those in hospital were tested so how did anyone know if they had Covid or not? Ridiculous to now throw that in teachers' faces. Many were isolating because one of their children had symptoms, but they could have had any number of illnesses. Not the fault of school staff that this was government guidance or that no one was being tested.

[Justjn1]

@OhTheRoses They're on 100% pay because they are still 100% working.

You cannot compare takeaways, which have very few staff in the building so can social distance, and who knock and dump the food on the doorstep before standing very far back to and catering staff that has to cater for 100's of children in one go.

I can assure you that the packed lunches eaten by many of our underprivileged/vulnerable children are not anywhere near as healthy as the school dinners that are provided.

However, I'm sure you have every right to continue bashing the teaching staff as, like them, you undoubtedly will be going into work everyday with hundreds of people, with no social distancing and no PPE. Judging by your arguments based on assumption, stereotyping and an extremely narrow experience of educational settings you know exactly what you are talking about.

[OhTheRoses]

OFGS @Justjn1 you know as well as I that the public sector including teachers is still on 100% pay, not 80% furlough. My cleaner btw wasn't paid by 60% of her clients since lock down.

I am surprised teachers are overly concerned. Weren't about 40% of teachers off with covid symptoms at lockdown? How interesting that death rates among teachers are much lower than other categories of worker when so many more must have been infected.

If takeaways are open, why can't a school kitchen open and prepare hot food anyway. AFAIAC when my dc attended state schools their packed lunches were far healthier than the hot meals served at school.

As I have said before. Excuses, excuses and a lot of underprivileged dc are playing out on their estates in any event.

An anti-body test will sort it out.