Furlough for 15 year old

[Dilligaf81]

Any advice? My 15 year old works for a gymnastics club as an assistant coach and has done for nearly 2 years. Initially all staff were put on furlough as obviously they can run sessions.
However now (3 days post pay day) they have said if you don't have an NI number you won't be receiving any money.

I can't find it written anywhere that she would have to have an NI number to be entitled to this. She would be eligible to pay tax if she went over her tax free threshold and is on the PAYE system.
Does anyone know if this is right?

Her boss is a slippery character who has booked her (and others) for hours previously then when an adult coach is ill and shes had to get another coach in has told them she cant pay them but it would be a great opportunity for them and they need to tell her how many hours they can do for free!!
Thanks in advance.

[Ellmau]

If they're volunteering to do zoom sessions unpaid, they shouldn't be eligible for furlough at all, employer needs to pay them.

[YappityYapYap]

She won't be on it! It's the first thing that comes up on Google.




If you have staff under 16 and they earn below the tax threshold, you don't need to put them on your PAYE system or payroll. An employer isn't going to pay the extra fee's to put children on their PAYE system when they've been told not to.




I work in accounts. As soon as someone submits a member of staff under 16 and their earnings are low, they just don't go on. If she was on it she would have a tax code and be able to get furlough. They wouldn't pay everyone else furlough and not her, what would be the point? They get the money for free. The simple issue is, she is not on the PAYE system. She's under 16, doesn't have to pay NI and doesn't earn enough to pay tax so it would be a waste of time adding her on and being the fee's

[howells]

Lol at your made up number FunnyInjury! 😁

[Fleetheart]

My daughter and her friend are getting furlough pay from their part time jobs. Ridiculous that employers are claiming for these; and ridiculous that the govt permitted it. But you can’t blame the teenagers; they didn’t ask for it.

[FunnyInjury]

Howells they're issuing temp NI numbers up in the NI office.

I've used CV191919D a few times a human being has to enter it via the tier 3 helpline though. The usual gateway wont accept it.

[FunnyInjury]

My 16 year old is being paid furlough from both his jobs.

Is is what it is 🤷‍♀️

[userxx]

You need to enter an NI number on the furlough claim through the HMRC site.

[howells]

According to what I have read, employers with fewer than 100 employees on the furlough scheme have to ring the helpline to have the claim processed over the phone if any of their employees don’t have a NIN. There is a different process for larger employers but it’s still possible to include employees without NINs.

[howells]

My 15 yo has been furloughed. He is on the payroll. You don’t need an NI no to be on payroll (I know for sure because I do payroll, although not this particular one, and I haven’t done any furlough claims). They did ask if he had one yet for the furlough claim but I don’t know if you have to have one. Will see if I can find out. He hasn’t received anything yet but will do (I know this because I work there too) but this might just be because they are generous employers.

[Doyoumind]

I can't believe that teenagers with Saturday jobs and no responsibilities and their employers are taking advantage of this scheme. It should be helping to keep people afloat not giving kids extra pocket money. We'll be paying for it in higher taxes for years as it is.

[MNnicknameforCVthreads]

OP ignore those saying you “shouldn’t” claim. I don’t know that rules but anyone 16 or over can be living as an independent person, or may have costs that their parents are not able to pay for (the reasons for them getting a job in the first place perhaps). So of course anyone age 16 or over can and should benefit from the furlough scheme.

[PleasantVille]

I can't find it now but I'm sure there is a minimum age limit for the furlough scheme, is a PP knows someone who is 16 getting it that must be the limit, I'm sure it won't be lower then that.

[Dilligaf81]

She is on the PAYE system you don't just get put on it when you reach the tax threshold. Plenty of p/t workers done pay tax as well.
tabbymumz Yes she this is a proper job with a contract. She is a proper assistant coach with training and qualifications. She has insurance through the gymnastics association and also liability insurance through her works policy.
The club wouldn't be able to run without these dedicated teens. Some of her teen colleagues are getting furlough pay as they are 16 already but as she isn't 16 till the end of August she doesn't.
As others have said if a scheme is set up for people who work why shouldn't a teen who works claim if entitled to. I wasn't asking about the rights and wrongs of a scheme but whether her boss was correct in her implimentation as she generally treats the teen staff like shit. Even now she is demanding to know how many hours they will volunteer to to zoom sessions (def not going to pay them).
Teenagers not taking money is not going to stop other employers making redundancies in fact if most teens are like mine she spends her money so the retail sector would have a bit of a boast which other households affected won't be able to do.

Thanks to those who gave helpful information as for the judgement blame the policy if you have issue not those who use a system the way they are allowed to.

[Rainycloudyday]

I’m pretty disgusted that you and your daughter would consider that she should get furlough money. Families can’t pay the bills and keep a roof over their heads and you think she should have pocket money from a part time job paid for by the government?! I’m fast losing faith in people

[TheGinGenie]

Ahhhh it's a combination of her being under 16 and under the threshold. Sorry I will read everything next time. She doesn't have to be on the payroll if she's under 16 and under the threshold, and she won't have an NI number until she's nearly 16, and you need an NI number to claim furlough pay.

Sorry OP

[TheGinGenie]

If no-one working there earns more than £120 a week they may not have a PAYE system. It would have to be everyone though. Could that be it?

[TheGinGenie]

You can be on the PAYE system even if you earn under the threshold - you don't have to actually have paid tax to be on the system, all employees should be on it so HMRC can see that they don't need to be paying tax (rather than just not putting them on and avoiding tax if they earnt more one month). We have plenty of part time workers who earn under £12500 but are on the system. You do need an NI number though.

[chocolatesaltyballs22]

Whilst I get your point, blame the government for setting it up like this. I doubt a few teens refusing their furlough pay is going to make all the difference in the scheme of things.

[TabbyMumz]

Yes lots of kids are coaches in sports clubs, but it's not like they are employed, theres no contract as such or ni or tax.

[lazylockdowner]

TabbyMumz no it's not a cash in hand job they are allowed to work a certain amount of hours between certain hours and you just have to apply to the local council for a permit, my dd was a assistant coach from 13 until she started her gym apprentice at 16

[lazylockdowner]

My dd age 16 is a brutish gymnastics apprentice and is currently furloughed, she worked as a assistant helper coach from age 13. the assistant helpers (school girls) are not currently being paid at her club only the full time coaches with contracts

[Viviennemary]

I am totally amazed that 15 and sixteen year olds working a few hours are eligible for furlough.

[KeepWashingThoseHands]

Whilst it's great to hear of teenagers with part-time jobs earning their own pocket money, the idea that furlough is offered to them is completely incredulous to me.

My company made redundancies this week and there are people on furlough struggling with 80% salary. The idea pocket money is equally as important as families paying bills is beyond ridiculous.

This whole, 'they'll be paying for it so they're entitled to it'. Seriously? Everyone else is also paying for it.

Between this and some people on mat leave wanting an extra 3 months salary, the lack of proportionality of some people during this crisis is astounding.

[RhymesWithOrange]

Agree with others. The furlough scheme is to help businesses and families survive. Not many 15 year olds will be living off their Saturday job money.

But you should check the legal position of your child's employment from a health/safety/liability perspective. E.g. if they got injured at work, or someone was injured under their supervision.

[NoHardSell]

Furlough might not be intended to support teens and their Saturday jobs but it is! Most of my kids friends are getting a fair whack weekly. As they will be paying this debt back forever, I'm not too annoyed about it
This is where a Universal Basic Income for adults might have been a handier concept