How can they not be giving any dates tomorrow?

[fasttracksign]

I've just read on another thread that it was announced that Boris won't be giving any dates for any of the plans, just a general roadmap....

I get they can't be overly specific as things will change and they may need to pull back at times but I honestly thought that because he was doing his Big Statement at 7pm, he was going to give us a plan like Ireland with some structure and rough sort of dates to aim for.

I'm generally quite compliant and in agreement with the lockdown so far but I really think they need to give the public something to work towards before people just give up and lose all trust in the process.

[Dodgytrousers]

TJH

Well said

[PubsClubsMinistryOfSound]

Ireland have published a roadmap of the plans to ease restrictions, with dates.

www.gov.ie/en/news/58bc8b-taoiseach-announces-roadmap-for-reopening-society-and-business-and-u/

[TJH130]

The only people that would benefit from exact dates are the likes of Kussenburg and Beth whatsherface so they could use them against the government at a later date. The 100,000 tests a day/20,000 deaths max was a good example of why exact numbers shouldn't be set

[acidburning]

As I said, I don't think they should be doing a completely dated plan but there are somethings people need a rough idea on.

Schools - likely June or September
Back out to work if not wfh
Seeing other family members / grandparents to help with child care

As all these things are interdependent and without some timeline plan, makes it really difficult to know what you can do. It sounds like he'll be encouraging back to work first but without info on schools, parents are still stuck.

[Dodgytrousers]

And if they gave dates and had to change them , there would be an uproar on this site at the governments irresponsibility.


Why would they give dates when there are a minority as thick as pigs rolling in shit; who have totally ignored what's been asked of them these past two days by mixing and socialising with others.

They'll be an infection spike in a few weeks. That will alone will be Boris' fault and down to the government.

No, in my opinion they are absolutely doing the right thing by not giving dates . That's just irresponsible and fruitless as the statistics change all the time.

[iVampire]

I don’t think any country has given a timeline.

Just announced changes as they are rolled out.

I’m not sure this is something on which we should innovate

Better to learn from how the other countries a couple of weeks ahead of us are doing, rather than even attempt to map it now

[RichardMarxisinnocent]

I hate the way we are treated in this country like we are all stupid. I am totally fed up now and want some idea of a timeline that we are working towards even if that changes. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I have had enough and want to see my family, if I am told all being well I can see them in 2 weeks then I have something to look forward to. Right now I am miserable and just making my way through one day to the next. I can’t be the only one feeling like this.

Exactly. I don't want specific dates, and I completely understand why they can't give them, but I do want(need) some sort of timeline of the different stages of coming out of lockdown, and what criteria have to be met for the stage to happen. I am feeling very lonely and isolated, I really miss my boyfriend and friends, and am in need of a hug and and a face to face conversation with someone I care about.

People keep talking about about social distancing having to go on for a long time, and I am fucking terrified that will mean I will have to spend the next 6 months or more alone, and unable to see my boyfriend or friends, other than perhaps outside from 2 metres away (and that would be no good for most of my friends as they don't live locally). If I knew that say stage 3 of lockdown release would allow me to choose one household that I can visit, I would feel a bit less hopeless.

[FreiasBathtub]

I would really like to know what they're prioritising. As I understand it, there are all kinds of things they could relax and tighten, and in different combinations they will all affect the R number differently. I would like to know whether they are choosing to prioritise allowing people to see their extended family, or getting kids back to school, or preschoolers back to nursery, or attempting to reopen parts of the hospitality industry, or restarting live sport, or ensuring universities can open their campuses in September, or whatever else.

Obviously they won't be able to do all these things as in combination they'd definitely push the R number over 1. But if I knew what they were prioritising, I could plan accordingly. All the things I mention affect me directly...I want to know whether I should be planning for a busier period at my work, or DH's work, or homeschooling while the baby is at nursery, or looking after a baby while DD goes back to school part time, or more of the same as they're not prioritising any of the above (please not). Maybe that's what we'll get? I don't know. Dates are less important to me than understanding which of the various less-than-ideal scenarios the government is pursuing.

[Forgone90]

Considering they do a daily live briefing they could and should give dates as long as the R number does not increas! but during the briefings if it has increased they could explain and change.. We will start to see the sames scenes as Berlin soon if were not careful!

[LastTrainEast]

BeltaneBride "it worked and we can expect to return to normality" no it doesn't work like that. Lockdown did NOT eradicate the virus only slow the spread. People are still dying every day and if we return to normal deaths will go up.

[NaturalBornWoman]

I hate the way we are treated in this country like we are all stupid. I am totally fed up now and want some idea of a timeline that we are working towards even if that changes

Then it changes as they clearly said it might and get ‘do you admit you’ve failed to reach your target?’ ‘will you apologise for misleading the public?’ ‘do you take responsibility for this catastrophic misjudgment?’

I think we’ve had a bit of a hint today when they said the new 14 day quarantine for travelers to the UK will be probably effective from the end of this month.

[excitedmumtobe87]

But there does need to be outlines of what will happen maybe even explaining the several possibilities di we have an idea

Will see what we get tomorrow

[excitedmumtobe87]

I agree with them not giving dates (always big enough to say when I agree with government as well as criticise!). They need to see how the first measures go first. It makes sense.

[Oneliner]

They haven't got a clue what they're doing. Biggest death toll in Europe.

[majesticallyawkward]

It's hard, on the one hand yes we need dates or an idea of what is likely to happen because the fallout of lockdown is horrendous for so many we simply can't go on indefinitely.

However, the number of new infections and deaths are still high and there is no way to predict what will happen. More so now more people are doing what they want and not social distancing, which will happen more the longer lockdown carries on.

Just look at what's happened this week/weekend, we are told there will be a roadmap shared about relaxing some restrictions and so many have used that as a green light to have parties, visit anyone and everyone and sack off social distancing just on uninformed speculation.

[Springhere]

How will this work for schools? The government have promised to give them 3 weeks' notice to reopen. Will they give the schools notice but not make it public? I'm just wondering if there is any way we will know whether June reopenings are on/off the cards (personally, I think June is far too early).

[janeyloves]

If Boris doesn't sort himself and give some dates people will stop complying. I've been out only twice since 20 March, as was keen to do the right thing but starting to question this all now. We can't go on indefinitely.

[SophieB100]

After seeing our local news today of coast roads full of people going to the beach, the amount of traffic on our main road and the amount of people congregating in the city, I wouldn't blame BoJo for tearing his road map up and just locking down again. They can't give us dates, because look at today and yesterday - loads more people out, because of newspaper headlines saying lockdown would be eased on 'Magic Monday'. He knows that the majority of people are sensible, but he is also aware that enough people are going to take any dates with a pinch of salt and just crack on with the planned eased restriction immediately. These sorts see what they want to see and make up their own rules.

They'll be a spike now in 3 or 4 weeks time, and that will mean that any dates outlined for then, will be pushed back. And those same people who were out today partying in groups, will be the first ones moaning about how unfair it all is, whilst ignoring the fact that they are responsible for it.

[TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross]

your life is more important than the economy.

Lovely for you that you don't need money or a job to survive and are thus able to separate life from the economy so surgically, but that's not the case for everyone.

[GabsAlot]

Because idiots wil take it as gospel lok at everyone already going to to the beach and swimming in the sea if he says june 1st u can meet your families and then has to change it who will listen

[Temple29]

I’m in Ireland and think it may have been better if no dates had been given. Because people know exactly what is deemed acceptable in 2-4 weeks time they’ve just decided that it’s fine to start now. Most people seem to be visiting each other’s homes because it’s allowed from June 8th and forgotten that’s a whole month away.

Pubs and hairdressers are fighting tooth and nail trying to get their dates brought forward to open because they aren’t happy with the dates given.

I think a vague roadmap may have helped.

[NotEverythingIsBlackandWhite]

"I hate the way we are treated in this country like we are all stupid. I am totally fed up now and want some idea of a timeline that we are working towards even if that changes"
They aren't treating us as if we are all stupid but they do have to address the stupid in society. Please try not to feel patronised. They have to address the lowest common denominator and the rest of us should understand that this is what they are doing. Feel proud that you aren't one of the stupid ones.

I think we may get a rough idea of timescales with the caveat that it is subject to change depending upon the R0 increasing or any of the 5 criteria for relaxing lockdown changing significantly.

[Chloemol]

They won’t give dates because a) they need to see the data and what that says , b) if they did give dates people would be making plans now for whatever is said to happen on whatever date and do it regardless c) lockdown is now being broken by many, just look at the posts on MN with those saying they are fed up and are now going to do what they want because they don’t know anyone who has it, they need to see their friends, they just don’t like lockdown.

By giving dates people will get really mad if they then get pushed back. Look at what’s happening in Germany, cases in some areas going up again so they may rescind some of what they have agreed to. Imagine the outpour of wrath on MN if that happened here

[FinnefanFox]

All these people demanding a answer to a question no one can answer, your life is more important than the economy. Schools will open when safe to do so.

[TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross]

I would think that unless some clearer picture is given on Sunday, lockdown fatigue is definitely going to start making itself felt.

We can't just be kept imprisoned at home forever - this virus isn't going anywhere and at some point, the government needs to come up with the next phase where they work out how we function as a society alongside Covid without tanking the economy beyond repair and destroying the mental health of the population. And I'm sorry, but opening tips and garden centres is not the solution.