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Should we all be buying oximeters

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Namechanger20183110 · 21/04/2020 16:37

...if 111 and 999 carries on with this debacle of telling people to stay at home until they can't talk?

Does anyone here have one that has also had Covid and can vouch for its usefulness?

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SMJYellow · 22/04/2020 01:45

The nursing home in Washington in February, it was hit with the covid19. Some residents went from symptoms to death within a matter of hours.

That's very scary and that's what prompted me to buying my own oximeter.

The disease the infection causes is very new. From what I read online about it, it could be a disease of the blood or of the red blood cells. I don't have a science or medical head on me though. If it is a disease of the blood, an oximeter would help. You could monitor oxygen levels.

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Millie2013 · 22/04/2020 06:41

We bought one for DD years back, after a scary incident when she presented at out of hours with a wheeze, but still bouncing around and her sats were 90% and falling. She ended up on oxygen for 4 days with a resp virus and was subsequently diagnosed with asthma. Her consultant is more than happy for us to use it, sensibly, to help decide if she needs to be seen, as she’s so stoic, so it’s hard to tell when she’s really poorly sometimes. I find it reassuring to have at the moment (note to self: check batteries)
Interesting NYT article too, thank you

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crazydiamond222 · 22/04/2020 06:47

I posted the below on another thread yesterday. I would recommend buying one so you can make the nhs aware if your levels are low and get admitted in time.

There is a really interesting discussion about oxygen saturation and covid patients here based on experiences of an ER doctor in New York. It sounds very worthwhile to purchase an oxygen saturation monitor to use at home:
//www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

'And here is what really surprised us: These patients did not report any sensation of breathing problems, even though their chest X-rays showed diffuse pneumonia and their oxygen was below normal. How could this be?

We are just beginning to recognize that Covid pneumonia initially causes a form of oxygen deprivation we call “silent hypoxia” — “silent” because of its insidious, hard-to-detect nature.

Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs in which the air sacs fill with fluid or pus. Normally, patients develop chest discomfort, pain with breathing and other breathing problems. But when Covid pneumonia first strikes, patients don’t feel short of breath, even as their oxygen levels fall. And by the time they do, they have alarmingly low oxygen levels and moderate-to-severe pneumonia (as seen on chest X-rays). Normal oxygen saturation for most persons at sea level is 94 percent to 100 percent; Covid pneumonia patients I saw had oxygen saturations as low as 50 percent.

To my amazement, most patients I saw said they had been sick for a week or so with fever, cough, upset stomach and fatigue, but they only became short of breath the day they came to the hospital. Their pneumonia had clearly been going on for days, but by the time they felt they had to go to the hospital, they were often already in critical condition.

In emergency departments we insert breathing tubes in critically ill patients for a variety of reasons. In my 30 years of practice, however, most patients requiring emergency intubation are in shock, have altered mental status or are grunting to breathe. Patients requiring intubation because of acute hypoxia are often unconscious or using every muscle they can to take a breath. They are in extreme duress. Covid pneumonia cases are very different.

Avast majority of Covid pneumonia patients I met had remarkably low oxygen saturations at triage — seemingly incompatible with life — but they were using their cellphones as we put them on monitors. Although breathing fast, they had relatively minimal apparent distress, despite dangerously low oxygen levels and terrible pneumonia on chest X-rays.

We are only just beginning to understand why this is so. The coronavirus attacks lung cells that make surfactant. This substance helps keep the air sacs in the lungs stay open between breaths and is critical to normal lung function. As the inflammation from Covid pneumonia starts, it causes the air sacs to collapse, and oxygen levels fall. Yet the lungs initially remain “compliant,” not yet stiff or heavy with fluid. This means patients can still expel carbon dioxide — and without a buildup of carbon dioxide, patients do not feel short of breath.

Patients compensate for the low oxygen in their blood by breathing faster and deeper — and this happens without their realizing it. This silent hypoxia, and the patient’s physiological response to it, causes even more inflammation and more air sacs to collapse, and the pneumonia worsens until their oxygen levels plummet.In effect, the patient is injuring their own lungs by breathing harder and harder.Twenty percentof Covid pneumonia patients then go on to a second and deadlier phase of lung injury. Fluid builds up and the lungs become stiff, carbon dioxide rises, and patients develop acute respiratory failure.

By the time patients have noticeable trouble breathing and present to the hospital with dangerously low oxygen levels, many will ultimately require a ventilator.

Silent hypoxia progressing rapidly to respiratory failure explains cases of Covid-19 patients dying suddenly after not feeling short of breath. (It appears that most Covid-19 patients experience relatively mild symptoms and get over the illness in a week or two without treatment.)

There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.

Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.

Widespread pulse oximetry screening for Covid pneumonia — whether people check themselves on home devices or go to clinics or doctors’ offices — could provide an early warning system for the kinds of breathing problems associated with Covid pneumonia.

All patients who have tested positive for the coronavirus should have pulse oximetry monitoring for two weeks, the period during which Covid pneumonia typically develops. All persons with cough, fatigue and fevers should also have pulse oximeter monitoring even if they have not had virus testing, or even if their swab test was negative, because those tests are only about 70 percent accurate. A vast majority of Americans who have been exposed to the virus don’t know it.

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Egghead68 · 22/04/2020 06:55

I have a pulse oximeter (bought for £21 in early March) and it has been invaluable during my month (so far) of Covid-19. I’ve used it to help me know when/whether to call for medical help. It’s been very reassuring to use it to see that my blood is oxygenated even when I feel very breathless. It’s also allowed me to track my very fast heart rate. Apart from a thermometer I would say it is the best thing to buy in case of Covid.

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wonderrotunda · 22/04/2020 09:20

@ crazydiamond222 thank you for posting that

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WatcherintheRye · 22/04/2020 09:23

@QueenOfPain

Teacher? HCP? Any public facing role? I do hope not. Your communication skills are rubbish Grin

Take a leaf out of @JustStayHome's book. They at least explained nicely why I was being ridiculous! Thanks Just Smile

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Menora · 22/04/2020 09:54

I’m asthmatic and I have one

They are useful

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LizzieSiddal · 22/04/2020 09:55

@ crazydiamond222 thank you for posting that

Yes thank you. So informative and explains why some people seem to get very ill, very quickly.

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Menora · 22/04/2020 09:56

I’ve also had pneumonia and my sats were normal. It doesn’t mean I wasn’t ill but I wasn’t so unwell I needed to be hospitalised. But it helps me with my asthma

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chocolatviennois · 22/04/2020 10:04

I ordered an oximeter From Argos yesterday after reading that article. Decided to get a blood pressure monitor at the same time!

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Peridot1 · 22/04/2020 10:16

I ordered one too yesterday based on that article. And I had read something similar a few days ago too.

Got mine from Amazon. I figured it was more expensive than had i bought a few months ago but it will be worth it hopefully. I have slight asthma which is mainly allergy related but had a really weird cough/viral thing in Oct and ended up with Ventolin for the first time in about ten years.

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DobbysPetCat · 22/04/2020 13:36

I ordered one online yesterday from Health & Care, expected it to take a week but it came in the post today.

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lljkk · 22/04/2020 13:58

I guess it's useful if it makes you feel more confident about doing what you can, having semblance of control.

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MarshaBradyo · 22/04/2020 14:04

Crazydiamond really helpful to read that thanks, I don’t think I’ve yet read anything so insightful re what happens to you.

We have one now, bought it last week. Felt strange at the time but now I’m glad we’ve got it.

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ScarfLadysBag · 22/04/2020 14:06

We have an Owlet sock for DD so maybe we can repurpose that for us if we need Grin

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LizzieMacQueen · 22/04/2020 14:33

Someone asked upthread but I couldn't see a reply.

There are apps (eg A Oxymeter) that say they work on iPhones, has anyone got one and would they recommend? TIA.

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Darcydashwood · 22/04/2020 15:31

I’ve just had one delivered but not sure what one of the figures/reading means. I can see the oxygen percentage (99) and heart rate (75bpm) but there is a smaller figure too between the two others that seems to widely fluctuate - one eg of reading is 11.4. Does anyone know what this figure refers to?

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ErrolTheDragon · 22/04/2020 15:45

Does it have a leaflet with it, or can you google its model name?

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Weaverspin · 22/04/2020 16:27

darcydashwood On mine it is the perfusion index - basically, how strong your pulse is in the finger that's in the oxymeter. There's more info here www.amperordirect.com/pc/help-pulse-oximeter/z-what-is-pi.html

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Darcydashwood · 22/04/2020 16:41

Thank you Weaver that is what it is! Thanks

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pigsDOfly · 22/04/2020 16:49

Hang on, if you supposed to stay at home until you can't talk, does that mean you're not suppose to contact 111 or 999 until you can no longer talk?

I live on my own, how am I, and other people on their own, supposed to call 111 if we can no longer talk?

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crazydiamond222 · 22/04/2020 17:59

They are just discussing the use of oxymeters on PM on radio 4 now. It is well worth a listen. The interviewee is saying that the ideal treatment pathway is what Boris Johnson recieved - early monitoring of oxygen levels and supplemental oxygen when needed and ventilators will only then need to be used in a very small proportion of cases.

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Namechanger20183110 · 22/04/2020 18:04

I think it's criminal that we are allowing people to get so bad at home before being taken in for oxygen. There are avoidable and needless deaths occuring, surely?? I wish the useless journalists would ask about what reviews are being undertaken concerning treatment pathways, rather than regurgitate the same questions every day about PPE and lockdown

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Gruffawoah · 22/04/2020 18:13

@LizzieMacQueen I will caveat this with I have no medical knowledge, but having used a cheap portable one before, and the app on a phone (Samsung), the readings were the same. Only ancedotal so I am not suggesting that they are really accurate or anything, but from my very limited experience the app appeared to work to the same level as a cheap one.

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AvocadoPrime · 11/05/2020 14:43

Quick question for those with oximeters, do they take minute to stabilise. Sometimes I'll use mine and itll be 91 but quickly go to 99?

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