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Midwife shortage? Hello? 28 births per midwife per year?

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Ushy · 23/09/2011 22:18

I don't want to midwife bash because I know how hard some work but I couldn't believe it when I read that midwives are complaining that they are overworked and they want to reduce their workload to 28 babies PER YEAR from around 32 or 33!!! PER YEAR? I thought I must have misheard and they meant a month but no, a year. How come then, there is not already enough midwives for every woman to have good quality one to one care in labour and postnatally without us tax payers having to pay for more? Can someone explain?

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piprabbit · 23/09/2011 23:14

I've conflated EPU with our MAU - sorry Blush.

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Quidsi · 23/09/2011 23:15

*Not including - I meant plus.

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VivaLeBeaver · 23/09/2011 23:17

There's also the specialist roles such as teenage pregnancy midwife, breastfeeding liaison midwife, fetal abnormality midwife, drug and alcohol midwife, sure start midwives. You can have quite a few working full time in these positions.

You can argue whether they're needed or not but the research shows how much they improve outcomes for people and also that they do save trusts money.

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katiegirl · 23/09/2011 23:17

I think the answer to your 'question' is in the article you have linked to Ushy, the RCM have worked out this is the number of midwives required for all labouring women to have one-to-one care.

Antenatal care is a massively important part of the maternity services, perhaps that isn't recognised because it is so good (not good enough by any means on an individualised level, but on the whole very good at picking up and acting on complications). I.e. we don't routinely think about how many lives are saved by good antenatal care because we have just come to accept it as the standard in this country, but we would quickly realise how crucial it was if it was taken away! And if the reason it was taken away was to provide more one to one care in labour as you suggest, then surely thats a case of giving with one hand and taking away with the other, and the more sensible solution to providing better and safer intrapartum care (as well as maintaining, or hopefully improving on, good antenatal care) is to employ more midwives!

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Haribojoe · 23/09/2011 23:18

midwives are complaining that they are overworked and want to reduce their workload

From my point of view midwives feel that staff/job shortages compromise the care that women receive and can sometimes create dangerous situations for women and babies.

I know you're quoting an article and these are not your words but IMO the way it's presented is a little misleading.

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Ushy · 23/09/2011 23:22

I completely agree that there will be a minority of women who are in hospital and need more care but there are also women who have their baby within an hour or two of arriving and go home shortly afterwards.

Viva I am not - repeat not - criticising you or saying you are lazy. I completely accept that you personally work hard.

But just because some midwives working at the sharp end feel overworked and stressed does not mean there are too few midwives. May be there are enough midwives but the way the NHS functions doesn't make best use of the time available. Or may be midwives are doing a lot of work that midwives don't need to do.

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VivaLeBeaver · 23/09/2011 23:24

It's the women who are suffering at the minute and that's who we want to improve things for.

My last shift I was caring for two labourers who delivered within 20 minutes of each other as well as a postnatal lady who had lost 1.5 litres of blood when she delivered a couple of hours previously and was supposed to be having a close eye kept on her. I've now had a bollocking from my boss for not looking after the postnatal lady closely enough. Wtf?

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mumblejumble · 23/09/2011 23:27

I have a fab community midwife, she has even agreed to see me in her lunch hour, she works harder than my GP.
I don't think you are looking at the whole picture OP. Stats can be very misleading......

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Quidsi · 23/09/2011 23:30

mumble thats exactly what I was trying to say only you are far more succinct than me Grin
I've yet to meet a midwife who doesn't go out of their way to help and I wish there were more of them.

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VivaLeBeaver · 23/09/2011 23:30

With all respect ushy I don't think you have much of a clue about this subject.

All the midwives in all areas are overworked and stressed. Our ratio is towards the bad end of the scale with one midwife to 34 births currently. I believe the rcm say that community midwives should have a caseload of 100. The average in our area is 190. So it's not like they're slacking off either.

I've worked on the antenatal and postnatal wards and they're just as bad.

The stuff that midwives do can not be done by anyone else. My mum says to me well why don't they have admin staff to do your notes and computing for you. She has no idea. It can't be done as firstly you need to know what the stuff means but mainly my notes are my record. The nmc states how record keeping is an intregal part of the job. It's recorded wrong I have no proof of what did or didn't happen. My registration on the line. Everything we do needs to be done, we,re not doing it for fun. It's all care, check ups and notes.

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TheDetective · 23/09/2011 23:33

Oh dear me. Perhaps Ushy would like to do a little more research into the topic before bandying about such tosh!

Role of the midwife - community - a midwives typical day would include a clinic in the GP surgery with 10-20 women to see, and community visits to see postnatal mums and babies - around 6-10 visits isn't unsual. Sometimes she will need to see antenatal women at home for BP checks etc. She will also have to do 'on call' rotas for homebirths and for women who accidently give birth at home, or any other community emergencies. Most community midwives will do at least 3/4 on calls a month - this on call period is not in addition to working hours unless she is called out. Often community midwives get called out in the middle of the night, and still have to go to work the next day - sometimes with no sleep. Among these checks she does, she may find problems. She may need to arrange for women to attend antenatal clinic, pregnancy assessment, delivery suite etc. She may have to make social service referrals, or other multidisciplinary referrals. She has to follow up women who don't attend for appointments. She has to complete a hell of a lot of paperwork which is deemed essential for the NHS Trust she works for.

A hospital midwife will usually rotate - 4-6 months in one area is usual. Different hospitals have different ways of doing things. Hospitals have a variety of settings - always a labour ward, and an inpatient ward - this may be 2 seperate ante and postnatal wards, or may be one ward. There will be an antenatal clinic. There will also be some kind of assessment area, this may be a day assessment ward, or a pregnancy assessment ward etc. Each of these wards has a number of midwives, and sometimes (but not always!!!!) support staff.

Labour ward midwives are looking after women in labour and the immediate postnatal period, 'high dependency' women for example after having a large blood loss after birth, women with threatened pre-term labour. They see women in early labour, and women who think they have ruptured their membranes. They are also having to work in the theatre and post operative areas. A labour ward midwife looks after more than just women in labour. She also has an excessive amount of paperwork to complete for the women she cares for, and for any births she has. It takes me on average at least an hour to complete the paperwork for a birth. In addition to caring for women on the ward - she is also answering the phone to women with concerns or queries (or women wanting to know if its ok to wear high heels 6 weeks after a c/s rofl!). Answering the door to endless people coming in and out of the ward, making visitors and women tea/coffee, cleaning rooms after deliveries, stocking the ward, checking all the equipment is safe and working, sometimes we have calls from the lab with results we have to follow up. Patients relatives asking questions, phone calls to be made to various agencies and other hospital departments for follow up, or for further support. Sometimes we spend quite a while actually trying to find basic things. Like pillows.

A ward midwife is much the same as above, but she is dealing with several patients at once. She may have 11-13 mums and babies to look after. She might have 10 antenatal women. Postnatal - women need observations - some need 30 minute - 1 hour observations, general postnatal checks, emotional support, infant feeding support, help just to get out of bed! Help to get to the loo - removing catheters and drips. Help with the care of the newborn, they want things brought to them - water, bottles, blankets, pain relief etc etc - we fetch these things - usually after being intercepted by 3 anxious new dads, an irate grandma, 2 visitors who shouldn't be on the ward, 4 phone calls, and answering 2 buzzers, with complaints from several women waiting to be discharged - all while you are on the way to fetch whatever has been asked of you. By the time you negotiate this maze, you generally have forgotten you were even asked for something. A postnatal midwife deals with high risk newborns, who need help with feeding, monitoring blood sugars, jaundice levels, weighing, temperatues, observations for prolonged rupture of the membranes, or meconium stained liquor. She deals with an abundance of paperwork, phones, buzzers, doors, and visitors, as well as complaints. She changes beds, babies, and direction 100 times a day. She discharges women home, and gives them advice that is required prior to discharge. She chases up all outstanding things such as newborn checks by the paed, hearing checks, mums wanting bounty bags, or photographer. She arranges the community midwife visits. All before a mum goes home. She can also be caring for high risk women who need complex and time consuming care. I'd be here all day if I went into that any further!

An antenatal ward midwife again is as above - she is looking after high risk women with problems requiring very close observation. Frequent maternal and fetal observations are required. She may be caring for several women who have come for or who are in the process of induction of labour. She might see women who come for blood tests, or blood pressure checks, or who are attending for elective caesarean section. The antenatal ward midwife is also doing the same as the postnatal ward midwife in that she is dealing with complex cases, involving multidisciplinary teams, answering doors and buzzers, dealing with a myriad of visitors, and complaints! She may have several women on CTG monitors - and may have concerns with each trace. She might be trying to get doctors - of which there is one senior doctor and one junior doctor to cover labour ward, the wards, gynae ward and a&e - to see these women. She will be chasing results, referring women in a timely manner to doctors if she has concerns with the women or babies observations, completing all the paperwork involved and care plans, and computer systems etc. All with a smile (hopefully).

I literally can not go on any more. A midwife is pulled in a million places at once - the more women she cares for at any one time, the harder it gets. And the less safe - in my opinion. So a reduction in work load by an increase in midwife numbers can only be a good thing for all mums and babies. Its a bloody good job I love what I do!

Thanks for reading!!!!!!



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Haribojoe · 23/09/2011 23:36

Ushy Is it that you don't agree that there is a shortage of midwives? If so what do you think the problem with maternity services is? Or do you think the service is ok as it is? I'm not totally sure what you're getting at.

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nickschick · 23/09/2011 23:37

How do these statistics and experiences compare with the midwives role some 30 years ago? has technology and access to information made their job harder? has the demands of todays mums to be accelerated? did mums to be 30 years seek medical help/reassurance that they do today ?.

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Ushy · 23/09/2011 23:37

Viva Exactly and you shouldn't have had a bollocking because you shouldn't have had such an absurd workload. That is a management issue and fingerpointing and blame culture is a sure sign of weak ineffective management and probably at the root of what I (in my humble opinion) think explains this mystery. If a Head of Midwifery has at her disposal enough midwives to provide ten individual days of care for each woman, how on earth does one midwife end up with managing two births in 20 minutes.

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TheDetective · 23/09/2011 23:42

Because Ushy - labour is unpredictable. You can't plan a service that is dictated by the unknown.

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Quidsi · 23/09/2011 23:44

Ushy maybe beccuse women don't always give birth at a time and in a place that suits a schedule.

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TheDetective · 23/09/2011 23:46

I don't think that the threads I read on here help either - telling women to lie on the phone and tell the midwife that her contractions are every 5 minutes and regular, when they are 7-10 minutes and irregular. By the way, the midwife knows you aren't telling the truth when you follow such advice - and it doesn't bode for a good relationship with the person who may well be assisting you to birth your brand new baby. Or the women who tell others to lie about having a bleed or pain to get an early scan. This all makes me sad!!!! The increased workload means that other women aren't getting the care they need or deserve!

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Quidsi · 23/09/2011 23:46

nickschick can only speak personally - but maybe my DDs problems wouldn't have been found 30years ago. They were non-life threatening but we only knew that after a couple of scans and more tests and my MW was on hand every step of the way.

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Haribojoe · 23/09/2011 23:47

The same way midwives end up helping women give birth in the car park, corridor, chapel etc. Babies don't take a lot of notice of quotas and number of births per midwife Smile

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Quidsi · 23/09/2011 23:47

TheDetective Women seriously lie about having a bleed to get another scan? WTF?

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Ushy · 23/09/2011 23:51

The Detective I am not talking tosh I am asking a question - you have given a full answer so thanks. BUT can I quote
"Answering the door to endless people coming in and out of the ward, making visitors and women tea/coffee, cleaning rooms after deliveries, stocking the ward, checking all the equipment is safe and working, sometimes we have calls from the lab with results we have to follow up. Patients relatives asking questions, phone calls to be made to various agencies and other hospital departments for follow up, or for further support. Sometimes we spend quite a while actually trying to find basic things. Like pillows."
Over 50% of that list at list does not require someone of your skill or competence to do. It is incredibly wasteful inefficient management that you are expected to be a doorman or tea maker. You aren't - you're a health care professional. Those jobs are what unskilled people get minimum wage for not a highly skilled professional.

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TheDetective · 23/09/2011 23:55

A lot of it does require a midwife to do - checking equipment, chasing lab results, relatives asking questions, referrals etc - those can't be done by someone else. The other things - there are support staff, but not always, and sometimes not enough, so you have to do those things. Or spend longer looking for the support staff who might be bathing a baby, or on the phone, or finding patients notes etc, than it would be to do the other things in the first place. Anyway, if you don't do them you get labelled lazy by the patients - sometimes!

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Haribojoe · 23/09/2011 23:59

I see your point Ushy and agree to an extent but there are still a host of things on that list which need to be done by someone with relevant training and experience e.g. checking equipment, liasing with other agencies, following up results.

These need to be done by midwives for a host of reasons, namely confidentiality issues, continuity of care and the clearly defined midwives rules and code of conduct on which our registration depends.

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Haribojoe · 23/09/2011 23:59

Sorry x post.

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Iteotwawki · 24/09/2011 00:09

Ushy, if all a midwife's job entailed was catching the baby then I would completely agree with you.

The fact that you are even asking the questions suggests to me that you (like many others) have no idea of the full scope of a registered midwife's job.

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