What's your best burping technique?

[rumtumtugger]

I'd like to try out some new tried and tested techniques for getting those last stubborn pockets of air out!

[FavoriteThings]

Which is more reliable. Being outside and experiencing the weather, or looking at a weather report?

[minipie]

She didn't ask you for evidence. She said there was no evidence that all babies would be in pay if not winded. That is a correct statement. She wasn't saying that no baby needs winding, just that not all babies do.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

We're not talking about the weather though are we? Bizarre and meaningless comparison.

Someone said most babies need burping or they were sick/had tummy ache. TikTok light heartedly asked if there was evidence to support this statement.

You seem to have come on this thread with a bee in your bonnet from the start, saying the board doesn't have a good reputation on MN, etc. which btw is the first timeline heard that.

[minipie]

Actually the weather comparison kind of holds up. Going outside will only tell you what the weather is in your own back garden (ie your own baby). A weather report is looking at the whole area (ie all babies). just because it's raining in your back garden (ie your baby needs burping) doesn't mean that it's raining a mile away (ie other babies may not need burping). a weather report would show whether it's raining everywhere or not.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

Very true, hadn't thought of it like that.

[FavoriteThings]

Everythig is here for everyone to read themselves. Everyone can read.

minipie. That is why I asked TikTok her background. And why I specifically asked her about childcare. I wanted to know how many babies she had experience of. Because after a while on here, it looked like to be just her own 3 children.

Why she was so evasive, I have no idea. And if she has been on here 10 years, surely she has already told her baby background. Perhaps not?

[minipie]

Not sure why it's relevant Favorite?

[FavoriteThings]

I know people cant . That is part of what is so bothering me.A large part.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

Why does it matter how many babies she has? If a Dr or midwife was giving you breastfeeding advice would you not believe their advice if they hadn't had children of their own?

[SarahBumBarer]

Goodness me FT - do you have something against Tiktok (who by the way I have never MET before on MN)? And by the way after criticising her for asking (perfectly reasonably) what evidence there is all you have done is ask for evidence from her to support her comments etc.

My children never needed burping. I'm sure is a lot of luck involved with that but also do think that in part it was 1) bf and 2) they did what they needed because I never fussed over them that way. Of course I think it is common sense not to lie them down on their backs immediately after feeding but a constant round of patting, squeezing and poking - I seriously doubt that MOST babies need it to the extent that they get it.

[PsammeadPaintedTheLion]

DD1 - I burped her for ages after feeding, never burped, always content.
DD2 - she burped loads, but by herself just by being sat up.

Babies are all different.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

The teaching these days is that breast fed babies probably won't need burping. I don't know the reference but it must be evidence based or they wouldn't be teaching the students that in uni.

It does make sense. If a baby has a good latch they shouldn't be sucking in air. There's no air that comes out a breast.

[SockywockyWOOOOOdah]

Tiktok hasn't given any advice on burping.

As Viva said above, tiktok is very careful only to give only properly evidenced advice, and to be very clear when she is speculating, or musing etc etc (as on this thread).

As said above, you will find many here keen to defend her reputation because she has helped us personally - she is extraordinarily generous with her time and expertise. I, for example, was struggling horribly with my first DC and about to stop bf'ing. Instead (three years later), I am happily tandem-feeding two. I'm forever indebted to her.

[FavoriteThings]

Viva. "If a baby has a good latch they shouldn't be sucking in air". That was told to me 20 years ago, so nothing appears to have changed.

Psammead. Quite. All babies are different.

Evidence. People all around us
. Dont need a science paper to tell us what we already know and can see.

Viva. Quite. That is all Tiktok gave, that she has 3 babies. Hardly a reason to trust her.

[tiktok]

Oh my goodness.....FT, you have a real bee in your bonnet about me!

Here's my rejoinders (and I am sorry it's long but I feel somewhat in need of self-defence!)

I have not* given advice on burping or winding on this thread at all. I have not even suggested what anyone might try. That is my MAIN point - no advice whatsoever

• I have not said that 'babies never need burping' or made any dogmatic statements about it
  
  I have challenged (by asking for the evidence) that most babies would be in pain* without active burping
  
  
• I also challenged the idea that blowing on a baby's back would heat the wind so it would rise out of the baby's stomach. But I mean....come on!! Think about it :)
  
  I have said - and I stick by it - that emphasising winding as something all babies need is cultural. I did not say it was only cultural in the UK - there are other plenty of places. I contrast cultural with biologically essential*. Just because millions of mothers all round the world burp their babies does not mean it is not cultural. Prams, cots, vests and nappies are cultural, too.
  
  
• I have acknowledged whenever appropriate that individual people may have individual experiences with their individual babies, and yes, some babies really do seem to have discomfort/pain linked with digestion and burping seems to relieve this
  
  
• Some mothers - because, I suggest, of this cultural emphasis on winding - worry unnecessarily about winding (you get posts on here asking how you can tell if all the wind is up; or if babies should be waked to be winded; or if the normal grunts and wriggles of a newborn's peaceful sleep are wind and if so is it pain; or concerns about responding to a baby's feeding cues because it's assumed the baby's cries mean wind.....and so on)
  
  The emphasis on winding can sometimes mean the baby's real needs are not responded to - there's a post talking about In-Laws practically wrenching a baby from the mum's arms because they think the happy, peaceful, sleeping baby must* be winded
  
  all this makes me question the emphasis on winding, and challenge* the idea that it is essential or the baby will be in pain
  
  
• I was not evasive about my credentials or qualifications - you asked if I was medical or had had babies, and I answered! Later you asked for more details and I gave them
  
  (Individual NCT practitiioners may say babies should be upright 20 mins after feeding, though I have never heard any of us saying that, and there is certainly no 'NCT says.....' about it. I find it hard to believe we would say that for every baby, and suggest there is some misunderstanding here).
  
  Hope that explains things!

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

Yes, the people all around us are telling us thatTikTok has given good, helpful advice over the years. That's what we know and see.

[tiktok]

Viva, all babies (and humans) take in air when feeding, whatever the latch - though an effective latch would certainly reduce the amount of air going in, and babies with tongue tie and other difficulties often seem more troubled with it.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

Thanks TikTok, I know some babies inc b/f ones are more prone to wind and will need burping so I always say to new parents its worth trying but not to get hung up on doing it if baby isn't burping and is settled.

[tiktok]

Thanks for the nice things people have said about me :)

FavouriteThings seems to think I am 'giving advice' - absolutely not. Or that the information in my posts here is harmful (untrue). Or that I ignore what I see (incorrect).

What I don't do, is think that everything I see or experience directly or indirectly, or every thought I have, is generalisable, out to the whole flippin human species :)

[tiktok]

Viva , to me what you say sounds wholly sensible :)

[HollaAtMeBaby]

I'm related to a model. I can't think why Vogue haven't called yet.

[tiktok]

LOL @ Holla .... actually, FT acknowledged her 'I am related to scientists' thing was a bit daft :)

I'd like another bit of evidence, now, FT, in response to your assertion that mothers have been winding their babies for 1000s of years.

Really? How do you know???!

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

I've worked in a maternity hospital in Uganda and never once saw a baby been winded over there. I'm not saying they didnt do it but I never saw it happen. The babies over there are kept upright more rather than been laid down so I wonder if that means they don't need winding???

[AnythingNotEverything]

I think tiktok has behaved admirably on this thread.

It's so refreshing to see a rational response in this situation.

FWIW, I completely agree - lots of new parents get hung up on lots of things which are historic practice, cultural, or unnecessary. It's important that we make informed decisions about what we do with our children and those in our care.