What's your best burping technique?

[rumtumtugger]

I'd like to try out some new tried and tested techniques for getting those last stubborn pockets of air out!

[FavoriteThings]

Viva. Millions and millions have mums have the answer. But no,try and find a science paper. Oh well.

And oh well to your second post too.

No wonder bf and bottle feeding has the reputation it does. I now understand.

Over and out from me. Probably. At least on this thread. Oh my word.

I am pretty sure several of you will still be on here in several years time.

I am reminded of something that happened. Someone wanted to know what the weather was like. Someone suggested putting on the weather forecast. Seems sensible? Yes? Someone else suggested going outside and taking a look. Sums up this thread beautifully.

[MrTumblesKnickers]

And I speak as being related to a scientist.Actually, more than 1.

I'm sorry but this made me

I'm related to a nuclear physicist, can't wait for the next thread on that subject so I can weigh in!

[Sparklyboots]

Burped my first as was under instruction to do so. My second I didn't because I was too busy protecting her from my enraged toddler. She seems fine.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

I think you're taking this a bit seriously FT.

[FavoriteThings]

It did make me a bit when I read it back too!

[FavoriteThings]

I do take it seriously when non doctors and nurses speak about medical issues and dont say how they have been trained or indeed if they have been trained. That is a very serious matter indeed. People die and can die because of that. Life and death and all that.

[FavoriteThings]

You and her and others just saying she has been on MN for 10 years doesnt begin to cut it.

[Sparklyboots]

And oh, yes, sorry OP, my babies seemed to burp easily when feed lying on my tummy with me on my back, which I did because I have astonishing, baby-squirtying boobs a fast let down.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

I never realised that burping techniques was a matter of life or death. Sorry, obv something we didnt cover in our in depth two hour session on breast feeding.

Which btw, I've learnt more from TikTok on breastfeeding than I ever did in my training. Been the accountable practitioner I am I didn't just blindly believe some randomer on the Internet. I read what she had to say and then did my own research on the Internet, looking at La Leche stuff, breastfeeding textbooks, etc. I've never seen her give duff advice.

[Sparklyboots]

Life and death. On a make-my-baby-burp-or-fart thread? This is getting quite funny now.

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

No, being on here for ten years on its own doesn't cut it. But knowing that I've read her stuff for years and years and its always been spot on means I do tend to put some faith in what she's saying.

[Sockywockydoodah]

Burping - life and death stuff. Who knew?

[FavoriteThings]

Fair enough your last post Viva if you think she is spot on. But many of us on here, dont think she is remotely near spot on. Much more spot off.
But at least this thread now exists.

[weewhile]

I think most NCT practitioners are facilitators, not counsellors.
Perhaps Tiktok was just trying to make a point. I think that's allowed, isn't it?
FavouriteThings I get your point too, but you were a bit like a dog with a bone!
Before anyone wades in...no, I'm not calling anyone a canine!
Peace

[Sunflower1985]

One question I've been wondering.
Baby farts. Is it swallowed air (in which case better latch for less swallowing would make a difference) or is it generated in the gut like I seem to recall is something that happens (in which case is there a way of reducing it - do ff babies suffer differently to bf babies beyond the difference caused by latch???)

[Want2bSupermum]

With regards to bf vs ff I consider my sister and I to be a rather interesting example. I ff and she bf and our babies are 7 weeks apart. Her boy is just as big as mine. He burps and farts just as much as my boy. The only difference is that mine threw up more.

For burping, I follow what I was shown by my friends mother who had five kids. Firm circular rub on the back followed by firm taps up the back. sit baby on knee and twist at the waist after the first turn. After that just firm rubs and taps.

I am very jealous of babies that don't need burping. I went through three huge bottles of gripe water with DS. My friends mum didn't believe me but after burping him for half an hour she gave him the gripe water and up came the burp.... followed by a good ounce of vom!

[rumtumtugger]

In Guatemala they put coffee in baby's bottles!

To reply to an earlier comment, no, science doesn't change it's 'mind', but different studies may have results that appear to contradict one another. The way that science is then reported in the media may flip-flop, but the science itself (testing a hypothesis by collecting data under controlled conditions) has not changed.

As an anecdote, I have just 'had' to burp dd2 3 times within a 10 minute feed to allow her to expel an air bubble and continue feeding. Each time, she came off the same breast - presumably because she had taken in enough air to fill her tummy without actually being full of milk (we are still working on latch after her posterior tongue tie and upper lip tie was revised last week). It is conceivable that she didn't need me to do this but in my experience, laying her down to sleep without burping results in her waking early due to hunger, and also vomiting more often than if I'd kept her upright for a few minutes and gotten a burp out of her first. (Incidentally, are there RCT supporting the practice of keeping baby upright for 20 minutes after a feed? No? But the NCT still advise it, and I gratefully accept this anecdotal advice, much as I am doing here re burping. I don't feel it is diminished just because there are no double-blind, peer reviewed studies to support it).

If I didn't burp my dd regularly to rid her of those 'filling' pockets of air that she's ingested, the process of feeding her would take much much longer, leading to less (quality) sleep for her and for me. Sometimes, all I needed to do to actively burp her was to pick her up and put her on my shoulder. Sometimes, I needed to use an additional method - and have tried out some of these fab suggestions here, thank you so much for all your input! My lonely night feeds have been enlivened by trying out these new techniques!

Claiming that babies don't need burping (because YOUR baby doesn't) is at best, naive, and at worst, actively unhelpful to those of us who experience otherwise.

[FavoriteThings]

weewhile. I needed to be like that to get anything out of them! Ihad asked toktiok at least twice about her background but the only word she muttered was science. Which is so broad as to be of no use as an answer on this thread. Several of them, about 6 appear to have been on here many years, and only Viva offered up anything to do with tiktoks credentials. Perhaps she was the only one who knew, and the rest were have been taking a poster giving them advice all these years, at face value?
The medical profession is far too important to take someone at face value. I dont think even Viva has even met her.
[dicalaimer, obviously on an internet forum, hardly anyone knows anyone else, so beware generally].

And no , just trying to make a point, when there are fraught parents up and down the country is not good.

[FavoriteThings]

Quite zzzzz and rum. Burping is cultural! Ridiculous. I do hope, but it would be naive to think, that tiktok hasnt been given out 10 years of wrong advice. But it very much appears that she has.

She herself says she has or does work for NCT. Who dont have a policy on this matter. So these musings on here have been her own [imo, very wrong] advice.

[FavoriteThings]

rum. But nowadays as well, if wrong information goes into a compute, wrong results come out of it.
And there are so many variables, that if one of the readings, or one of the hypotesis, or one piece of work that someone else has done or or or, it can and does make the results wrong. Science is choc a bloc of wrong stuff.[also does have some right stuff in it]. But on some stuff like this, see my weather scenario above.
What actually happens to people isnt anecdotal. Tiktok, Viva and other cannot write of thousands of years of parents with a billion children getting it wrong!

[VivaLeThrustBadger]

It is anecdotal. It doesn't mean its wrong and I'm not saying it is. But I do think that TikTok made and interesting point and I think she's quite likely right that some babies who are routinely burped don't need burping. I also think its likely there are plenty of babies for who it's beneficial.

[minipie]

Actually I can well believe that in some cultures they don't burp babies - because in some cultures, babies are carried upright in a sling virtually all the time, so they would get "burped" that away and wouldn't need specific burping.

I'm not quite sure why tiktok is being attacked - all she is doing is challenging the statement that all babies will be in pain if not burped. It may well be that there are some babies who don't need burping, and such a statement could make the mothers of those babies feel bad when they don't need to.

[marzipananimal]

How can you say tiktok was giving wrong advice when she wasn't giving advice at all? She was merely questioning the assumption that most babies have problems with wind and need actively winding. This is helpful IMO as when I had DS I thought winding was an essential, important and potentially difficult part of babycare. In fact he had no trouble at all and dd has been the same, though I know all babies are different.

You will find lots of people keen to defend tiktok as she has helped so many of us with great advice on this board, and she always gives evidence based advice, not hearsay. So stop with the frankly bizarre atracks on her postd

[FavoriteThings]

Viva, but research isnt necessarily true either. So asking a poster for "evidence" when they have evidenced it is , and I dont really know what word to use actually.