Do people find pleasure in picking on black women or am I imagining it?

[darmaka]

About 20 years ago things were a little different. Then Brexit came and I feel Britain became quite xenophobic. Not that I had not experienced xenophobia, bias, micro-aggressions, racism before - it was just different and nowhere near as bad.
Have people just become comfortable with these behaviours? I want to use well known people as examples, Serena Williams, Meghan Markle, Naomi Osaka, Sloan Stephens, Beyonce, Kelly Rowland, Oprah, Leonna Lewis, Alex Burke to mention just a few genuinely hardworking women (black/ mixed heritage) who are also heaving involved in charity work.
I am always confused as to why there are so many negative comments whenever there's any article on these women and others in British papers and forums such as these.

What is it about a black or mixed heritage woman that rubs people the wrong way in this country? I also find that many people struggle to navigate the system, whether it's career, mortgages, business, even just simple things as parenting and school in a community where they are minorities.
Britain is meant to be welcoming - at least on paper apparently it is because it's a melting pot of different cultures. What's your experience and have you considered relocating (I have done it, then returned and will leave again).

[RedWingBoots]

@phoenixrosehere of course she would be vetted to see if she was a terrorist, had links to extremism etc. As well as ensuring she isn't a risk to other British royals, someone in her position would be expected to meet foriegn heads of state and other senior leaders. She would also see sensitive documents and be discussing them.

So the security forces would have gone through her background with a fine tooth comb.

The fact that she has no contact with her step-siblings is actually a plus as they have nothing of relevance and up to date to leak about her. All the people who could seriously put the boot in e.g. her ex-husband have stayed silent. Why? They don't have to.

Also aristocratic families including the Royal family would check the fertility of prospective spouses. (Though it doesn't always work out and it isn't hard to find out about those cases.) They probably checked her family medical history as well.

Black and black mixed women can't have any power and influence because it upsets white men who hold the most power and influence in British society regardless of political allegiance.

[phoenixrosehere]

Most of the negative things I’ve heard have all come from the UK concerning MM and the rest of the world circulating some not knowing that most of it is from tabloids.

If she was such a bad person, how was she able to get as far as she did? Why are there very few complaints about her “attitude” from the U.S. and Canada, and even the UN if she was as bad as the British tabloid press make her out to be?

Also, she was very likely vetted up the bum by the Royal Family once they found out about her. Are we saying that the Royal Family or whomever does the vetting for people didn’t look into her properly? There would have been more than just her step siblings who had no contact with her for years to say something negative about her if she was that bad. Heck, it would have likely came out the week before they got married if she was such a bad person.

I struggle with hating someone who has no bearing on my life whatsoever and has not doing anything worth “hating” someone for.

I didn’t like Trump, didn’t hate him, and knew it was going to be an unfortunate outcome of him being president, but he actually has and did have an actual damaging effect on millions of lives as President and people are still feeling that now.

[LadyKenya]

@RedWingBoots

@LadyKenya I think we are agreeing the same point.

It comes down to who has power. The media, run by white men, are scared of black women having any power and influence over people they manipulate.

This. Yes!

[RedWingBoots]

@LadyKenya I think we are agreeing the same point.

It comes down to who has power. The media, run by white men, are scared of black women having any power and influence over people they manipulate.

[RedWingBoots]

@dogmandu

I fear your argument is codswallop. Let's take Donald Trump as an example, according to your pov despite the fact that he acts and speaks as he does in public, he could be very nice to his good friends in private, so we shouldn't make a judgement on his character? Really??

With politicians like Donald Trump and even Kemi Badenoch people easily confuse their policies or proposals with their behaviour.

People like MM and Serena Williams aren't in the same positions of power.

[LadyKenya]

For all I know Trump could be a decent person to his family and Friends. I can not say how he acts in his private life, that was my point. You have no idea how these people are. I can criticise him for the policies he makes though. That is there for everybody to see.

[dogmandu]

@LadyKenya

Codswallop. You read about how they treat other people, you have no idea how they interact with other people, in their private lives.

I fear your argument is codswallop. Let's take Donald Trump as an example, according to your pov despite the fact that he acts and speaks as he does in public, he could be very nice to his good friends in private, so we shouldn't make a judgement on his character? Really??

[sweetgrapes]

On the totally scientific research that I did in a few seconds...
Meghan Markle has 145 threads on MN. I haven't checked but am assuming they all end up bashing her even if started in a positive note.
Prince Andrew 134 threads - also assuming all bashing threads.

So even a paedo gets bashed less that a successful black woman.

In general, men have the right to be totally incompetent at mid/senior positions. Women don't have the right to be even competent at senior positions - forget incompetent.

Anyone who dislikes MM and says her skin colour doesn't come into the picture needs to think hard and look for someone white and male with comparable so-called 'badness' and see if you hate them as much.

[LadyKenya]

@dogmandu

What did those women ever do to you? Other than the bile you read in the papers - we can all agree tabloids can easily demonise people. What have they done to offend you personally? You admit you don't know them, so how can dislike someone you do not know?

I hear what they say, I see how they act, I see how they treat other people, I have a brain, I make a judgement.

Codswallop. You read about how they treat other people, you have no idea how they interact with other people, in their private lives.

[RedWingBoots]

@dogmandu

What did those women ever do to you? Other than the bile you read in the papers - we can all agree tabloids can easily demonise people. What have they done to offend you personally? You admit you don't know them, so how can dislike someone you do not know?

I hear what they say, I see how they act, I see how they treat other people, I have a brain, I make a judgement.

The thing is unless you or others you are close to know them personally then you actually don't know what they say, how they act and how they treat other people.

Media, whether is traditional media e.g. newspapers, tv or social media, is very good at portraying a different image of someone. Some people are actually good at manipulating this for more publicity.

[Ivegottherona]

It's quite simple isn't it OP. We (black people) don't belong here truly, white people know we didn't originate from UK even if you are born here we are still black and tbh sometimes I think it makes no difference to weather you were born in UK or not. UK has always been a white Country and the North of Yorkshire was very racist back in the 70s even when my mum grew up.

The shamima Begum proved that we are not really British, look at lip fillers and BBL it's all glorified but on who?

Big bums and big lips are nothing new black women were dragged for years now every where you look people have their lips filled.

[Etinoxaurus]

@dogmandu

What did those women ever do to you? Other than the bile you read in the papers - we can all agree tabloids can easily demonise people. What have they done to offend you personally? You admit you don't know them, so how can dislike someone you do not know?

I hear what they say, I see how they act, I see how they treat other people, I have a brain, I make a judgement.

But it’s such a leap to then actively dislike pp you don’t know based on their media image.
Back to the op there’s definitely a strong media bias and I’m suspicious of those who buy into it.

[dogmandu]

What did those women ever do to you? Other than the bile you read in the papers - we can all agree tabloids can easily demonise people. What have they done to offend you personally? You admit you don't know them, so how can dislike someone you do not know?

I hear what they say, I see how they act, I see how they treat other people, I have a brain, I make a judgement.

[darmaka]

@SaintHelena

Are we still allowed to dislike women (black or white) because of their character not their sex? I don't like MM or DA at all. At the same time I do like SW and Kemi Badenoch. There are plenty of white women I don't like as well.
The sad thing is we don't really know any of their characters well other than tabloid and SM bile.

I'd love to know why men get off with so much - we all have sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers but somehow the women are easy targets for no reason.

What did those women ever do to you? Other than the bile you read in the papers - we can all agree tabloids can easily demonise people. What have they done to offend you personally? You admit you don't know them, so how can dislike someone you do not know?
This kind proves my point.

[PinotGroggio]

The discussion about her podcast is now up to a third thread, so going on for 3000 posts repeating themselves plus a poster has name changed to meghanmarklebitch. But yeah, it's not racist at all 🙄

[skippy67]

@hewouldwouldnthe

MM isn't black anyway, she's bi-racial. She denied her mother's origin for years in the film industry because there is definitely a bias there.

🙄

[Starseeking]

I came across this article today, which seemed appropriate to post here:

The title is The Most Disrespected Group Online Are Black Women — This CEO Is Fighting Back

https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/black-women-online-safety-bill-twitter?utmsource=email&utmmmedium=editorial&utmcontent=uk&utmmcampaign=220826-gold-hoop-earrings-you-can-sleep-sweat-shower-in

[LadyKenya]

I agree @PinotGroggio . The media have done a number on MM. There are too many people out there who are only to happy to buy into all the negativity though.

[PinotGroggio]

At the risk of turning this into another thread about MM I have to say that I have never seen anyones's ethnicity analysed to death on MN like I've seen hers. "She's not really black", "she looks Mediterranean", "she straightens her hair therefore she's denying her blackness" etc etc. Then when she was pregnant there were entire threads devoted to how annoying it was that she kept touching her bump. Posters didn't seem to realise that there was a media narrative at play there when they would deliberately only publish photos of her when she was doing that!

Needless to say, getting het up over a pregnant woman holding her bump is pretty fucking ridiculous...

[LadyKenya]

@PandaBearBear The sad thing is, that those posters have no self awareness at all. Too full of their own entitlement. Instead of trying to listen, and maybe learn about something that is outside of their own experience, they are too busy trying to deny what they believe is not a problem, or not happening to black women.

[PandaBearBear]

It is almost comical that the users that felt so compelled to come onto this thread, announce that they are white and give their oh so important take on something they will never experience have done nothing but prove the point of the OP.

Honestly embarrassing.

[LadyKenya]

@hewouldwouldnthe

MM isn't black anyway, she's bi-racial. She denied her mother's origin for years in the film industry because there is definitely a bias there.

This is interesting. I think I have heard something along those lines before. Had she actually come out and denied her black heritage, or was it a case of her just playing different roles who happened to be of Spanish, or whatever heritage? There is a difference, I think.

[AlexandriasWindmill]

I'm intrigued where you think you can move to escape it?
Social media and incel culture have caused an explosion in misogyny and racism. It's not country specific and studies have shown that using flags or claiming to be from somewhere is usually a red herring.

[NeedNotWantNot]

I've also observed an increase since Brexit, in the kind of media that stir xenophobia in poorly educated white males who hate successful black women. The people who use "woke" as a dog-whistle word. I assume it's an older demographic coming out of the woodwork, because of such frequent quotation of "rivers of blood". So hopefully they will die out soon.

[hewouldwouldnthe]

MM isn't black anyway, she's bi-racial. She denied her mother's origin for years in the film industry because there is definitely a bias there.