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Do not ever hit your child!

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amber3 · 17/10/2004 02:06

This is a message to anyone who conciders spanking their children.
No matter what happens during the upbringing of a child - NEVER HIT, NEVER SPANK, NEVER SHOW OUT-OF-CONTROL BEHAVIOR; children will learn that violence solves problems if you do (monkey see, monkey do). If you hit them, and they still, for some reason look up to you, they will copy your behavior.
But spanking may also disorient them, and they are likely to disrespect you for it.
Some parents subconsciously spank to "get back" (so to speak) at their own parents, who might have hit them when they swore, or did things they didn't know better than doing...
You have to be patient and give the child reason to respect and admire you for your actions. This does not mean that you should spoil them by any means, or let them do as they please in any situation.
It is especially inhumane to spank a child for making a mistake - something you had not warned them about in advance... They should not be expected to know what you do - they don't have much life experience, and their first experiences should not include having their skin hit red by people they are supposed to respect.
You have to be able to explain and educate your child verbally - it's only human nature to show obstinacy at a young age, and it has been proven (over and over again), that such behavior cannot be spanked away.
Children must be listened to, and understood properly by their parents. They cannot be physically forced to think certain ways, and expected to grow up to be individuals with thoughts of their own.

Spanking has been banned by law in most of Europe, and since earlier this year, in Canada as well.
Are you aware that it's still OK by law (even suggested) for teachers to spank, cane and paddle kids in schools in 22 US states? There HAS to be a change to this! In Italy, this has been banned since 1865, and in Finland since 1890. The activity in the home was banned by law in Sweden in 1978.
In the US spanking at home is illegal in ONE state...
The US is a very religious country, and the bible, which hasn?t been much updated in 2000 years, suggests for people to spank their children, and for children to always accept their parent, since they ?know best??well, the world is changing, and HAS changed. A lot of people today know and UNDERSTAND that there are lots of incompetent parents, and that hitting will not solve a problem. It might seem to for the moment, but may, and will on some level, effect a child (a grown up child) psychologically in retrospect.
Circus animals are physically punished when taught tricks and "manners" - people should NOT be. People should be allowed to think, and partly learn of their own.

Parents in the US, more than other parts of the world, tend to follow certain quotes from the bible on parenting, but times are changing, and the bible is not being updated. This is a serious issue, people. Were you to move to Germany and spanked your child, you can count on being arrested for punishing a child physically. Same thing in Denmark. Same thing in Norway, Finland, Italy, Austria, Israel, Latvia, Cyprus, Canada...
Remember that there are passages in the bible that speak out AGAINST spanking as well.

Recently doctors have noticed a disease (causing an inflammation in the intestine) which strikes adults who have been abused on different degrees as children...all people are different, some psychologically stronger than others, meaning that this disease can strike adults who subconsciously bear the memory of being spanked as abusive.
Smacking a child is a very LIGH form of abuse, hitting them with a belt or a cane is a HEAVY form of abuse.
No one becomes wiser (just like that) from having their butt smacked - people learn from experience. If they are forced they will become insecure.

We must not think of our children as sinister creatures living for ruining the little piece we get in our lives after work and school. Before having entered the life of parenthood, we may have been used to getting that time for relaxing, but when entering parenthood we must accept saying goodbye to big part of that piece.
We must love our children and understand that these people are the future of both us, and our grandchildren.
If you want to be a parent you must prepare yourself for being patient and understanding - the child should not live in fear by your or anyone else's demand.

Love your children, and think of ANYTHING but hitting (thus humiliating) them when their behavior is highly improper, and you may lose your temper.
Use your imagination - punishments can be bitter-sweet. It can be fun AND educational. You can make them clean their rooms (or do some of your daily chores) when they stubbornly disobey things they SHOULD and are INCLINED to do.
I have forbidden TV, I have withdrawn allowances and toys, I have given orders on cleaning their rooms, I have asked them to clean up possible messes that have been made, at needed times I have raised my voice (without sounding threatening) to let them know I've meant business and that they may have hurt my feelings by disobeying or done something they didn't understand the consequences of, and I have always explained to my children WHY some things should be done, and WHY some things should not be done BEFORE they have had the opportunity to make a mistake. Sometimes they have done wrong out of curiosity, and then there has been an educational discussion. It is natural for children to forget things what they are being told - it is not a disorder. A child's memory and ability to pay attention evolves a lot generally around the age of 8 (depending on the nature of the person this age varies).

Sometimes children can drive you mad (I know much about this,) and to put them in line we may occasionally grab an arm in anger or frustration, but don't undress their pants and smack their rears! They are defenceless and in a process of developing all their senses - give them reason to look up to you and admire your actions!

I love my children. Two of them are grown up now. They have never been spanked, and they are doing very well. They teach me a lot, and I admire them.
One of them just had a baby girl

Last...I want to quote Boris Sidis, from a lecture on the abuse of the fear instinct in early education in Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 1919:
"As long as the child will be trained not by love, but by fear, so long will humanity live not by justice, but by force. As long as the child will be ruled by the educator?s threat and by the father?s rod, so long will mankind be dominated by the policeman?s club, by fear of jail, and by panic of invasion by armies and navies.?

(this text can be found on the educational and recommended homepage of "project NoSpank")

Here is a link to a VERY educational passage of a speech by Astrid Lindgren for parents to read: www.atlc.org/Resources/never_violence.php

Thank you all for your time.

Sincerely,
Proud and loving Grandma' Amber

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GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt · 14/10/2012 22:07

sammum why?

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radicalsubstitution · 14/10/2012 22:07

WTF? Why is this ancient thread being revived with such utter shite?

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GetOrfAKAMrsUsainBolt · 14/10/2012 22:06

THIS THREAD IS 8 FUCKING YEARS OLD!

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D0oinMeCleanin · 14/10/2012 22:03

I agree. Think of anything but hitting them.

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sammumof4 · 14/10/2012 21:57

lmao @ been nice "er" to others children lol never reaised i did it till i read these comments haha am like WILL U STOP DRIVING ME CRAZY N GET UR BUTTS"ASS"BACK HERE,,THEN I SAY 2 THE CHILD THAT INT MINE ,,DARLING PLEASE WILL U STAND BY ME PLEASE N NOT RUN OFF haha made me chuckle reading these...

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dolally · 23/10/2004 12:12

I'm not trying to stir anything girls, and altho dear Grandma' Amber is obviously very sincere, she's asking for trouble with her sentimental diatribe. I found lots of your posts very funny too, it's just that it struck me as weird when I am also haunted by the spectre of that poor little 5 yr old boy.

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Chandra · 23/10/2004 11:26

Well, I think it's the religious tone of the thread which started all the jokes.

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dolally · 23/10/2004 11:21

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it weird that we're all Amber-bashing in this thread and all horrified by the caning husband in Joanneg's current thread?

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moosh · 23/10/2004 07:27

I glanced over this pile of s*!t from "Amber the Angel"! What a complete waste of finger muscles typing all that. I think it is the longest post I've ever seen and am ever likely to see on MN. Foolish woman in my opinion, I yell at my ds and am so nice to other people's children I tend to agree with you all. GET IT OFF OUR SCREENS!!!!!!!

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misdee · 22/10/2004 18:43

twiglett, maybe its like the word dickencider.

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BigMamas · 22/10/2004 13:46

I cannot see my screen because i am crying with laughter. Bloss 17/Oct, Rhubarb 19/Oct Copperton?? and Sandyballs you people are hillarious. I have a 5 yr old and can know what you guys are saying completely!!! Amber....no, can't think of anything to say.
Roll on with the jokes!!!

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Twiglett · 19/10/2004 21:37

sorry .. can't get past the word 'conciders' .. WTF?

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marthamoo · 19/10/2004 21:29

tearful, ignore it! It's just someone with an evangelical axe to grind who has probably hit every parenting board they can find on the internet with the same (badly worded, ungrammatical and semi-literate) pile of poo. It isn't worth getting upset about - it's not a MNer and I doubt very much Amber will ever be back.

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tearful · 19/10/2004 21:24

can someone tell me what this is about? I have sat her with ruffled brow trying to work it out. who is amber? who is she aiming this at and why? gosh, I though these threads were for people with genuine discussion points not just for a rant. what on earth is going on?

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ScummyMummy · 19/10/2004 14:16

lol-sandyballs and ct. me too- except I'm sure even the visitor's kids detect that my teeth are gritted...

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coppertop · 19/10/2004 14:12

Another one here. Other people's children get a "Oops! Silly me for tripping on that toy!" Mine hear "And WHO left this on the floor?? I nearly broke my neck tripping over the damn thing!"

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Chandra · 19/10/2004 14:08

sounds familiar Sandybags

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tiptop · 19/10/2004 14:07

sandyballs -

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sandyballs · 19/10/2004 13:53

Hee Hee. Don't you find yourself being sooo much nicer to other peoples children, generally. For instance my two and a little friend of theirs were all standing on the windowsill and hanging off the curtains the other day, I marched in with a bellowing "WILL YOU GET DOWN IMMEDIATELY, I'VE TOLD YOU SO MANY TIMES ABOUT THIS, I'M GOING TO COUNT THREE ...... ETC ETC", then gently turned to their friend and said "and you sweetie, down you get, good girl".

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Chandra · 19/10/2004 13:35

I love your sense of humour... just when I was thinking "oh no, here we go again!"

Jampot, I wish my friends would agree to an experiment like that, it must have been a very liberating experience. Just imagine, "X, don't break the mirror! is worth £350 punds and I can't afford to replace it" or "Y, if you continue writing on my table I will send you to the naughty step" or better enough "Z, you are 8 yrs old now, if you continue showing your genitals to the visits you will be grounded for a week" Mmm, ahh... actually just writing about it is a liberating experience....

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jampot · 19/10/2004 13:26

a couple of friends and myself took our children to the end of year bbq at school which was held mainly on the sportsfield. We decided (having had a little to drink) that it would be funny if we told each others children off if we caught them doing something silly. Very sad but it was remarkably liberating especially as my friend's kid really did do some naughty things

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jampot · 19/10/2004 13:25
Grin
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coppertop · 19/10/2004 13:24

We could organise smack-swaps. 'You hit mine and I'll hit yours' deals. Problem solved.

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jampot · 19/10/2004 13:22

oh that;s okay CT - just not your own.

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coppertop · 19/10/2004 13:21

What about hitting someone else's child?

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