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my 5 yr old over boistrous for his piers in school

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littlelyon · 22/03/2013 12:14

My 5 year old boy started a new school at the end of January and is apperntly beginning to settle. But other children are saying he is naughty and the teacher told me yesterday that he is being to boistrous for his piers and hurting them. He is big for his age, some of the children one child in particular is half is size.

A lot of the time he is joining in with rough play with the other boys one group in particular because he is the biggest the smaller ones generally end up being pushed over although he is doing the same as them (at lunchtimes) and other times he has pinched another child to stop them hurting a girl. he does that quite a lot he gets involved where he shouldnt.

he pushed over the small child in roleplay in class and he fell onto a plastic box resulting in a cut bottom. My child has had run ins with this boy previously where this boy was playing boxing and seeing who was the strongest and they grabbed each others face. The other boy got a scratch, apparently the apologised at the time to each other.

This is the one side of the problem he isnt hurting children out of anger or spite, but out of some misguided protecting them or because he is not playing gently enough and not thinking. (Not justifying what he is doing) we are constantly explaining/taking toys/early to bed etc to try and get the message through. He just does not think of the consequences, and it will begin to effect his friend making . He is really sensitive and his behaviour will spiral if he thinks he is being told off unfairly or if he is worried about getting into trouble he gets nightmares and cant sleep so we tend to have patches where he gets into a cycle of being overly boistrous and gets in trouble which increases the behaviour.

The other side is a maternal side where the mum of the small child is running to the school and have heard her forcing and leading explanations out of her child, when he clearly knows they were both playing. Because my son is so much bigger than hers i think she thinks he is bullying him when from what I can tell they are playing games they probably shouldnt be and they are both at fault.

It makes me feel isolated at the school gates and embarresed. I do speak to a couple of the other parents, but i feel like i constantly being watched. The other mum hasnt said anything to me and to be honest i wish she would so i could put people right. He has a baby sister and he is wonderful with her , he does what i say at home and is helpful, He is brilliant academically. He is mischievious and although does what i ask can struggle to stop when i tell him to stop doing something.

I dont know what to do. How can i make him be more mindful of his actions ?

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Soupa · 22/03/2013 21:41

I have had boys at both ends of the spectrum for impulse control and boisterousness. They out grow either trait when appropriately encouraged, most children are more equably mellow and sociable but yes some of their parents do think they are shit hot at parenting and that you suck:) breathe easy, it's a long game and consistency gets there in the end. most parents won't judge you and will be sympathetic if you express your concerns and worries and if they see you trying to show him the right way...

Your child is still young and still learning, when my boisterous brute was that age he was a bouncing ball of chaos and a hugely physical force dishing out hugs, squeezes and wallops without care for consequence. he grew up and eventually everyone else met the lovely thoughtful boy I knew much earlier. His other brother even mastered eye contact and minor social chat by 7 ish whilst the third grew up utterly uneventful in every social situation.

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littlelyon · 22/03/2013 21:51

cheers soupa.

ok yellow im sure you havent and never will have a child that gets carried away

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YellowandGreenandRedandBlue · 22/03/2013 21:59

My days of this stage are done, but no, I didn't. I may have just been lucky with my kids, more than happy to accept I was, but my attitude was very different to yours because I Started from the beleif that I don't think it is acceptable for kids to be rough.

I hope it works out for you.

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littlelyon · 22/03/2013 22:06

cheers i will keep posted on his turn around

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BeaWheesht · 22/03/2013 22:18

Haha at me being a controlling mother Grin try telling ds that. He play fights at home with his sister and us and with friends outside of school but afaik not at school or at least we've had no complaints and I know the school tend to be quite tough on this kind of thing. I didn't assume you were doing nothing I just asked a few questions, I didn't assume either way.

Anyways I don't actually really care what you think of me but I hope you get your little boy sorted out and he's happy at school.

Oh and also I was trying to help by asking about motor skills because of personal experience as I explained - I genuinely thought it could be an issue when he's doing things like hugging too hard and also, I think you mentioned putting things down roughly etc.

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cory · 22/03/2013 23:17

I agree with other posters that the school should have stricter rules about rough games.

Also, not so sure about karate as the solution for boys already inclined to rough housing. Ime all the roughest boys I have known have done karate and there has been no evidence that it has calmed them down or taught them to control their impulses: the karate teacher is no doubt teaching them this but they simply don't take that bit on board. Boys that age can be very good at selective hearing; they get what they want from karate and miss out what adults see as the essential part.

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Soupa · 23/03/2013 00:13

Yeah my timid one did karate and enjoyed it but I wouldn't have sent the other, I would probably have made an effective ninja and caused much bruising to classmates.

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purples · 24/03/2013 13:56

Have thought over what you have said, and on consideration, think that maybe his maturity level is too low for karate, maybe try it in a few years times. At the moment it may just teach him skills that get him further into trouble.

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 18:59

Yellow
"My kids didn't play fight and were taught never to grab, push, kick, hit, wrestle."

If I had a £1.00 every time a proud parent has said this.

So many times these people never seem to see what their children are up to, and in fact they are usually the most aggressive children.

Take off your rose tinted spectacles.

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YellowandGreenandRedandBlue · 24/03/2013 19:05

Not all children fight. Really, they don't. I was also a teacher. Not all kids fought.

Why is it so hard to believe?

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 19:28

I suppose I am very cynical because I have observed so many children whose parents are totally blind to what they get up to. However, they are the first to fiercely defend those children if they themselves get hurt.

Yes, there are children with lovely meek and mild temperaments, as well as parents that want to guide their children (as littlelyon does) in the right direction, but sadly they are very much in the minority in my experience.

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YellowandGreenandRedandBlue · 24/03/2013 20:04

Well, the place to start is by saying it isn't normal/inevitable and not tolerating it at all. Saying 'all children play rough and if yours don't they are not normal' is not a good attitude.

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 20:08

I have to disagree with you again.

Most normal children do play fight because it is in their genes.

As is picking up sticks in the woods and shooting at each other.

All totally normal.

Children that don't are usually not quite with it.

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 20:09

To be clear, I am referring to boys.

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 20:11

Another point Yellow - where do you get the 'rough' bit from?

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BeaWheesht · 24/03/2013 20:35

What does 'not usually quite with it' mean???

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 20:51

Slightly odd.

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YellowandGreenandRedandBlue · 24/03/2013 20:53

Oh my.

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purples · 24/03/2013 21:01

WOW Keepcoolcalmandcollected,
so if boys don't fight, then you are not quite with it and slightly odd?????
Thats quite an amazing statement to make!!!!
I really can't agree with such a sweeping generalisation.

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 21:16

No please don't twist things as Yellow has tried.

Play fighting is totally normal plain and simple - no more no less.

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purples · 24/03/2013 21:31

I don't want to misunderstand you but I just think that although many boys enjoy play fighting there are some boys who don't enjoy it. There is a wide spectrum of normal behaviour and both are normal types of behaviour.
However it is never acceptable for boys to take play fighting to extremes whereby other children suffer.

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 24/03/2013 21:47

I am NOT saying it is acceptable for boys to take play fighting to extremes whereby other children suffer.

Where has that come from?

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YellowandGreenandRedandBlue · 24/03/2013 22:30

The thread is about a child hurting his peers at school so the whole topic under discussion is play fighting being taken to a level where other children suffer Confused.

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YellowandGreenandRedandBlue · 24/03/2013 22:38

I have no idea why a big grin is on that post!

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purples · 25/03/2013 08:25

Hi keepcoolcalmand collected, this thread is about a boy who is large for his age and who enjoys play fighting but he does not have the maturity of age to understand that what he regards as play is harming other children.
Even if 2 boys decide to rough play together, there has to be a certain amount of control in their behaviour towards each other.

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