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just turned two years never eaten solids

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DianaDors · 14/05/2011 07:58

I give up, ds refuses point blank to eat solids and every day for the last year I have binned the apple slices, corn, cucumber, melon, lettuce, carrots, tomatoes, banana, chicken nuggets, toast that I have cut attractively, served, to no avail. I have put one item on his plate, all on his plate, a few on his plate etc. Tonight when he screamed at me, I screamed back. He is now in front of the tv while I have a gin&tonic and type this. He is our 2nd boy of 2children. We are doing the same stuff we did before. With the exception that he is still taking milk from a bottle.

I give him milk from a bottle 3x a day, he will not drink juice or water or diluted juice from the £20 worth of beakers that we have bought over the last 18mths. He chews them. He has milk upon waking, porridge 2hours later, milk after a nap and after his bath. The rest of the time he will ONLY eat pureed food including all meat, fish, fruit & veg. Mostly home-made and everything from home-made curry to shepherds pie. Pureed only. Slightest lump and he vomits. He is always given lumpy food, he never chews he swallows as soon as the lump is discovered he either stops eating or vomits every meal. He will eat any amount of bland or spiced food provided it is pureed.

There is nothing physically wrong with him whatsoever. If the food is sauce based like spag bol he will open his mouth willingly, but heaven forbid that there is a rogue piece of texture.

He barely speaks other than, ta da, ta & bye.

He never says mummy or daddy and probably won't until he eats something solid as so far his tongue is just there for decoration. My compost bin is full of wonderful food, thrown in disgust on the floor, spat at me or simply ignored. He is give loads of praise every time he even looks vaguely interested in food, he has forks & we encourage touching his food (regardless of the living hell the kitchen has become). We eat with him and only at the table with no distractions. He has never eaten snacks or treat food. He did eat cheerios every morning for a week with milk and for reasons best known only to himself he stopped after 5 days.

He tips all cereal onto the floor and he has been given every type just to tempt him. He refuses all dehydrated fruit whether in bits or whole.

I'm fed up. He's not, clearly.

We entertain, distract, praise, ignore, whatever it does not work and I am nothing if not consistent in my approach especially as I want my 6year old to know that I am fair with them both.

He is a healthy weight, he is active and fit.

He sleeps like a dream, from 6.30pm every night until he's woken, that's right, WOKEN the following morning at 6.30am. He has a minimum 3hour nap every day and always has done. He has a sunny disposition and the dirtiest laugh. He is easy and an ideal little boy, an absolute dream and his older brother was the same. So why doesn't he eat solids or speak?

He's now being referred for speech therapy. It will come as no surprise that eating solids and speech are directly linked.

I know I'm lucky having two such good sleepers and lovely happy children. But if I have to push another carrot through a sieve I will scream.

He will eat beige food such as bread sticks and crackers and toast crusts (he will not eat toast or crust with butter or any jam/honey etc on it. His favourite chew thing is a week old baguette.

All our furniture and books have bite marks in them, including the rest of the family. He will eat stones and cardboard and I am forever tipping him upside down and hauling things out so he doesn't crack his jaw in half, poison himself or choke.

Cutting out the milk only results in him not drinking at all. Then he starts to get dehydrated and has become constipated on only those occasions we have denied him access to it.

It would be great to hear from some one with a two year old who has had success.

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minimisa · 13/06/2011 14:42

I have twins who are not as bad as yours but pretty bad on the food front and also didn't say much until very recently and now they are 2 and 3 months they have started really gaining words at a pace (much like I saw my friends children do at about 18 months or so!). Having consulted many sources including Mumsnet I have taken a relaxed approach to food and give them what they want with an occasional new offering and they do seem to be getting a little less phobic (they don't mind lumps but used to scream their heads off if I offered something new). I also really agree with treedelivery - don't wind yourself up cooking lovely organic stuff - offer him something cheap and simple for starters. I'm now delighted if I can get mine to have a potato waffle!

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BeeLister · 13/06/2011 14:02

Well done! Sounds as though he is making great progress Smile

How have you been doing with ditching the bottle completely and moving on to cups?

Op, have pm'd you Wink

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DianaDors · 13/06/2011 11:31

Ds2 is much better now & with the cough completely gone. He's no longer gagging & vomiting over solid food and is actually starting to eat more 'normal' food such as a slice of roast pork, slice of roast lamb, and cubed swede! He is still eating mush as well but doing well with a spoon of this & a cube of that. I think the prolonged cough really did take its toll on him & us and am so pleased that he's enjoying eating & keeping it down. He's no longer refusing all food at first sight but starting to touch it & lick it - even if it gets tossed aside after! Its been such an eye-opener having our 2nd child! Language is still babbling and have not had meeting with SALT yet, of course we would love to hear Mummy or Dada, but just having him enjoy and try his food feels like an extraordinary milestone, so will keep going! Many thanks again to all who've posted.

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MillyMollyMardy · 01/06/2011 21:40

Hi,
I thought I'd join in I have a 14 month old dd who had a food aversion phobia similar to jellybeans' child probably brought on by severe reflux and a bout of gastroenteritis. We haven't seen anyone as the HV failed to refer her to paeds/SALT and a dietician when asked so 3 months on we've waiting. We've plodded on offering food in all forms but she just gagged/vomited/refused and was surviving on milk and smooth yoghurt. In the last 3 weeks something has changed and she has started to eat pasta/hoummus/toast and is mouthing other food before spitting it out. She is still not eating huge amounts but it's a step forward. We were directed to
www.infantandtoddlerforum.org/article_23+Understanding+and+Managing+Extreme+Food+Refusal+in+Toddlers_id-19.html
which may be helpful.
I'm definately agreeing with others that at the moment I don't care what my dd eats as long as she eats and I can widen her diet later.
Good luck, I also have a ds who will eat pretty much anything so I share your pain.

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skybluepearl · 31/05/2011 22:55

I hope SALT have been helpful.

Just wondered what is he like in his behaviour towards other people? If he is empathic or gets stuck in loops of behaviour? I know it's a long shot but maybe it might be worth checking links on google about ASD. Just that sensory mouth issuses can sometimes be tied into autism.

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tryingtobemarypoppins2 · 31/05/2011 20:36

We saw a SALT for similar issues. Here are a few good tips we had:

Fill a sand tray with dry pasta to play with, then progress to wet pasta.
Print with fruits and vegetables.
Cook together.
Cut out shapes using cookie cuttters into toast.
Make and play with jelly.

Introduce melt in the mouth foods first:
Maltesers!
Crisps that melt
Soft cake
Cheeses

Then as you have been, only offer solid foods and bin the bottles. Limit milk to end of the day.

Best of luck.

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BeeLister · 31/05/2011 17:40

How is it going?

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DaftApeth · 24/05/2011 21:02

So sorry that he is still poorly but those are great 'baby steps' Grin

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DianaDors · 24/05/2011 12:58

Still poorly, bless. At A&E last night as the cough is what's making him vomit! He's got meds, so great and is self rejecting the bottle!!!! Downed a lot of diluted juice from a beaker. So, as they say, baby steps! He has introduced a new word to his vocab, so now we have 'hiya'. Ok, so he's nowhere near the pulitzer prize and chew-food still not rating, but if he's off the bottle by the end of next week will be so pleased. Looks like a good start as he's replacing milk with water & diluted juice. thanks all.

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vivi12 · 19/05/2011 21:06

My DD was very keen on her bottles of milk (not eating much else) until about age 3. I too threw loads of food in the bin. She's now 5 and eats a good range of food. Her favourite dinnertime meal is salad with avocado! I found she changed dramatically when she started having lunch at pre-school and went to childminders 2 days a week. I booked her in for lunch club at preschool because I simply couldn't bear to go through food refusal three times a day. Peer pressure worked wonders. As does sending them somewhere else for tea, be it granny's or a childminder. I suspect though if your dc also has speech problems it could be something more medical? I just don't know. I know of other dcs who have been difficult with food to the age of 7 and pretty much only eaten yoghurt. Although, not ideal, they can manage on limited diets and just try not to get stressed about would be my view (in hindsight).

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skybluepearl · 19/05/2011 19:23

can you water the milk down a little - use skimmed milk? so it's mroe of a light drink than something heavy?

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DaftApeth · 19/05/2011 16:37

Aww, poor thing. No you can't push too much if he is poorly and needing lots of fluids.

Another thing to try when he is better is to give him a straw to drink from. Sometimes they see this as quite fun.

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DianaDors · 19/05/2011 14:36

Oh dear, poor ds2 is now full of 'flu! Can't breathe through his nose, refusing beaker that he was taking at the beginning of the week and very reluctant with food in general. Just one of those things, so am molly-coddling in between doses of calpol. I've not given up, but with the high temp etc, I'm just going to plod till he's starting to feel better. I know there was a real change when he was feeling better so will crack on again once he's not so poorly.

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DaftApeth · 17/05/2011 10:13

How is it going?

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DianaDors · 15/05/2011 08:26

This morning I filled all his beakers with milk and put them 'strategically' out of reach then put crunchy healthy cereal on his plate beside some melon & banana and a yoghurt & spoon. First he swiped the beaker (this is what he does when we visit - he would not have taken it if I'd offered it and started showing off). I mock asked for it back, he refused and then starting drinking from it in defiance. Well that gave me a good laugh and a great start to the day. He ate the yoghurt and some of the cereal bits and has drunk about 10mls of milk. Stopped being interested in it all after about half an hour so he's gone through to the living room to his toys.

I've 'hidden' a beaker of water in there incase he gets thirsty, he's happiest with the things he 'takes' on the sly, so will see how this goes and then try and get him out of the closet with his beaker drinking further down the track.

Will continue using short sentences as you've suggested - this is the usual way we speak to him so no problem and mirroring sounds as this really fires him up and encourages him to make more sounds. He's partial to singing, of course its all noise and no words but at least he's in tune, so we're keeping that up too.

There will be no bottle on offer today (although I may give in at bed-time but he's never left with it). Fingers crossed.

Have a great day ladies & many thanks , will post again with updates.

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DaftApeth · 14/05/2011 21:58

You go girl Grin

It is great to hear that he will drink out of a beaker at friend's houses that will give you the boost to know that he can do it. He'll probably not like it though, so you will need to stick to your guns.

Another suggestion to help develop cup drinking is to give him plastic cups to play with in the bath. I know it is not ideal but as long as you don't use any bubble bath, it shouldn't do any harm. Have a water-proof toy that he can 'feed'. Also good for language development e.g. "ds' drink", "mummy's drink", "power ranger's drink".

Giving him choices is also another good way to help language development e.g. "ds, do you want Spot or fireman Sam book"? - hold eac book in front for him to point and choose.

Also, use short, simple sentences and talk to him about the 'here and now' I.e the things he is looking at and interested in (not about granny visiting next week!).


I look forward to hearing how you are getting on

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DianaDors · 14/05/2011 19:13

Sorry this is long but I hope there maybe a few helpful bits!

You make good sense! Our eldest naturally gave up the bottle in favour of a beaker at 9months so that was when we introduced it to ds2 but little man has never taken to it which is a frustration beyond all measure. And I've had this nasty gut feeling about it. As of waking tomorrow that bottle is going west and no mistake. Horrid thing to have in his mouth at this age!

Like Ratsnapper, I was a SALT (in a previous life!) I specialised in feeding difficulties, although mainly with children and adults with physical difficulty as opposed to pre-school.

One thing that really stands out is that your ds still uses a bottle. Sucking from a bottle requires an immature sucking action I.e the tongue moves forwards and backwards to suck the milk out. This action changes and matures once the child moves away from a teat and develops into a different action (using the cheeks). Hence why most adults trying to drink from a teat would not be able to because they have lost this immature sucking action.

You're still making good sense and I'm loving it!

I would be wanting your ds to move onto a cup for his milk and this would probably be the first thing I would recommend that you do. You may also find that this helps him to naturally reduce his milk intake.

I would also recommend that you try to mash as much of his soft food as possible e.g. Pasta, potato, soft carrots, rather than blitz. Also (I know this will be a huge pain!), could you blitz food that can't be mashed individually. This way the flavours stay separate on the plate. You don't have to clean out the liquidiser in between items though grin

Will try!

Maybe go back to having some prepared, frozen blitzed food that you can dip into and then give him other very well mashed fresh vegs that you all have on your plates, as well as some finger food. Then just let him get on with it and he can choose to eat certain things or not.

As has been mentioned by a previous poster, nursery is also a good idea for both his eating and drinking and communication development. Are there any nearby?

Unfortunately we can't afford the local nurseries at £50 a day! But I'm in full agreement with this idea, we will be moving in August and there will be local play groups etc that we can drop in on and I'm sure the peer pressure alone will have the desired effect.

Has your ds been referred for a feeding assessment as well as a slt communication assessment? Often eating and drinking are assessed by other (specialist) therapists from this who assess communication. Perhaps it is worth contacting your local slt department and asking whether he requires a separate referral for this. He may need a referral from the gp for this but they can advise you. It just seems a shame to wait for weeks to see the slt and then to have to wait even longer for another assessment for feeding with someone else if you can get on the list now.

Yes he has for both which is great, I'm assuming it will be done together from what the gp said.

With regards to communication. How does he 'tell' you what he wants? Does he point, take you to something, vocalise to get your attention, etc? What would he do if his favourite toy was out of reach, for example?

That's the sad part, he either snatches what he wants, has a tantrum at what he can't get or reaches out a hand and says 'da' until he gets whatever.

I am massively impressed with your sensible advice and am just going to up my game with ds2. Ds1 did everything so 'naturally' that I just assumed ds2 would in time but its been nagging at me about how long all this 'giving up the bottle' is taking. I know full well he doesn't need it, especially when he has such lovely beakers and always drinks from other childrens beakers when we go visiting (typical would do it when we're out!) but not at home.

Thank you, a common sense response that is gratefully appreciated, I will let you know how it goes, but I'm very sure you're right DaftApeth! Thanks to all for your encouragement and the sensible advice, I'm very excited about tomorrow and cracking on with the beaker business.

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annapolly · 14/05/2011 17:13

My DS was exactly like this, I pureed his food in a blender and gradually blended it a little less over the course of time.

He was three and a half before he ate normally served food.

He is now 10 and eats quite well, but not as varied as other DC's.

I remember being so worried at the time, but had forgotten about it until I read you post.

As for the talking, I need help stopping him.

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DaftApeth · 14/05/2011 17:03

Sorry this is long but I hope there maybe a few helpful bits!

Like Ratsnapper, I was a SALT (in a previous life!) I specialised in feeding difficulties, although mainly with children and adults with physical difficulty as opposed to pre-school.

One thing that really stands out is that your ds still uses a bottle. Sucking from a bottle requires an immature sucking action I.e the tongue moves forwards and backwards to suck the milk out. This action changes and matures once the child moves away from a teat and develops into a different action (using the cheeks). Hence why most adults trying to drink from a teat would not be able to because they have lost this immature sucking action.

I would be wanting your ds to move onto a cup for his milk and this would probably be the first thing I would recommend that you do. You may also find that this helps him to naturally reduce his milk intake.

I would also recommend that you try to mash as much of his soft food as possible e.g. Pasta, potato, soft carrots, rather than blitz. Also (I know this will be a huge pain!), could you blitz food that can't be mashed individually. This way the flavours stay separate on the plate. You don't have to clean out the liquidiser in between items though Grin

Maybe go back to having some prepared, frozen blitzed food that you can dip into and then give him other very well mashed fresh vegs that you all have on your plates, as well as some finger food. Then just let him get on with it and he can choose to eat certain things or not.


As has been mentioned by a previous poster, nursery is also a good idea for both his eating and drinking and communication development. Are there any nearby?


Has your ds been referred for a feeding assessment as well as a slt communication assessment? Often eating and drinking are assessed by other (specialist) therapists from this who assess communication. Perhaps it is worth contacting your local slt department and asking whether he requires a separate referral for this. He may need a referral from the gp for this but they can advise you. It just seems a shame to wait for weeks to see the slt and then to have to wait even longer for another assessment for feeding with someone else if you can get on the list now.


With regards to communication. How does he 'tell' you what he wants? Does he point, take you to something, vocalise to get your attention, etc? What would he do if his favourite toy was out of reach, for example?

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DianaDors · 14/05/2011 15:29

Thanks MadameGazelle but he also ate his plastic phone so I don't think he has enough sense to be left to his own devices at this stage. I removed the phone and binned it (managed to chew it in half while doing ds1 homework). So I gave him a jar of baby food from shop - proper stage 1 - which he's since wolfed down and yoghurt and his porridge and a bottle of milk.

I really think that not eating (apart from the teensy nibbles) and the yoghurt earlier since 4.30pm yesterday is wrong. Consequently he's just had his 1st BM of the day. He's been tired and ratty all day and is now sunny & happy. I think I will just continue with all the usual foods as Jellybeans has said until he gets his date with SALT.

Many thanks for all your posts, I appreciate the support & different perspectives but in my heart of hearts I would rather he ate good quality food than very little of the wrong things, then I will see what the professionals have to say and like you say Jellybeans take the advice from the paediatrician.

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MadameGazelle · 14/05/2011 14:51

Yes Jellybean but he's shown he is capable of eating solid food, demonstrated by the fact he tried sausage after only half a day of restricting his purees

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jellybeans · 14/05/2011 14:44

'If you remove the purees and 2 of the bottles of milk a day he would probably be hungry enough to want to try the solid food.'

I strongly advise against this. If it is true aversion, you risk him refusing anything at all and ending up in hospital. Simelar happened to my DS and it was a nightmare. The best advice we had (from his paeditrician) was to go back to what he eats and don't worry or stress for a couple of weeks. At least he is eating. Then introduce it gradually.

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jellybeans · 14/05/2011 14:41

My son had a simelar type of feeding aversion, in his case linked to severe reflux and choking issues since birth. We finally got him on stage 2 lumps at 13 months or so and by 16-18 months on full normal foods. He was never underweight and still had his follow on milk 2 times a day. We got him down to morning and night by giving him water with meals in a beaker. My son's speech was not affected luckily so it doesn't have to be the case.

What worked for us (and was also advised by the hospital) was going back to what he eats for 2 weeks and not worrying about anything other than him eating what he was used to, non lumpy. Pushing it and forcing lumps can lead to refusal to eat altogether (this happened to DS).

DS loved purreed cauliflower cheese so after the 2 weeks, we mixed it a bit lumpier and gave him cheesey homemade or jars in stage 2 which were chopped abit more by ourselves to half lumpy. We gave him this every other day for one meal.

A couple of weeks later we also gave him quartered skips (crisps) and chocolate buttons crumbled on the tray. I know it is junk food but the hospital suggested it and my DS now 2 and a half has a very good diet so it worked. DS did gag and choke an awful lot for ages but after a while was ready for the stage 2 and thos organix big carrot sticks which melt in the mouth. We then progressed to things like toast and bananas but it was slow

Another thing that helped was showing him how to chew. We literally sat and chewed ourselves as he really had no idea how to cope with lumps.

I am sure he will get there eventually, good luck.

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MadameGazelle · 14/05/2011 14:23

Also, if he's tried the sausage after only half a day of restricting the purees that shows that he is capable of and willing to eat solid food

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