To hate three wheeled /over sized buggies with a passion

[Ryoko]

I know I'm going to get flamed over this but I don't care.

I can't stand the things, I think they are stupid, day after day I see them clogging up the shops and buses, they are nothing more then the baby version of a Chelsea tractor.

I hate walking past them in the shops what with them having spikes on the wheels for off road and they take up far too much space on the bus, the things can't even be folded properly not that anyone even tries to fold em even when someone gets on the bus with a wheel chair.

Why do people buy them? they are so stupid, this is London, there is no off road to be had, why do you need a Travel system that costs more then a small second hand car with your carry cot attachment, car seat attachment etc and then spend all day clogging up small shop aisle with it and blocking the gangway on the bus with it?.

Whats wrong with a simple small, light folding buggy that can be bought for less then half the price and in most cases can carry a child up to an older age then the Travel Systems.

[lljkk]

I have a 3 wheeler which is pants and I hate, it's not even comfortable for 2yo DS to sleep in (M&P Sport 03). Pathetic shopping basket, It steers badly, very heavy, doesn't fold up well, is a nightmare to get on off kerbs, I live in minor terror of the inconvenience of it getting a puncture. It's only barely marginally better to use over rough ground than my plain folding umbrella pushchairs.

Can't believe that I thought it would be good (gravel driveways are the norm around here, mind, and that's one place it is easier).

But I refuse to spend money on any more buggies, so I am stuck with it! I know what OP means about using a suitable small folding buggy for crowded urban situations -- that really is the only practical option.

I won't go far into the whole should able-bodied 4yos be allowed in buggies question... my 4-5-6yos were still in the umbrella buggy on occasion (gasp) -- fit fine since they're such runts!

[Firawla]

YABU
I have a big 3 wheel buggy, but its a double (p&t) so its taking up less room than a side by side atleast, and I don't think its anyone else's business what pushchairs other people have, even if they take it on the bus then so what. Some people seem to have the attitude of how dare you get on the bus unless you have a tiny maclaren buggy and will fold it up (not really experienced this in life..i live in london, but on here so many people have this attitude)
Having a big buggy doesnt mean you wont move 4 a wheelchair that is just stupid, but there's not wheelchair on all the time, and 2 buggies can still fit on the bus even if they are big.
If people just feel they take up too much space in the street or something then they are being ridiculous. I don't really care if someone doesn't like my buggy or feels it is in the way by me walking down the road or in the bus, they will have to like it or lump it really, if they wish to make themselves miserable complaining about every last thing then go ahead! People need to relax a bit and realise that buggies (even large ones) are normal in this society and not that much of a problem.
I'm sure some smart ass would say "you don't need a double just put a maclaren and a sling" but I don't want to, so I wont.. not everyone finds that convenient

[EricNorthmansmistress]

YANBU
I judge parents with monster prams. I assume they have more money than sense. I also do mental fist bump with fellow maclaren users for being sensible. My maclaren has done DS since birth and is still going strong - will do him until he doesn't need it anymore.

Although I could have ended up with a monster pram if my aunt had chosen one since she bought me my pram I expect I would have sold it.

[RubyBuckleberry]

'Why would a newborn being all nice and cosy in a carrycot be more important than my 6 year old not weightbearing and therefore suffering excruciating pain and risking a hip replacement in her 30s.'

They're not - like I said - chill out, if a wheelchair user needed the space I would get off the bus! I have vacated for a wheelchair user before, I would do it again.

Incidentally, so you think a new born has less right to be safe in a carrycot, rather than in a maclaren, than your DD has of feeling safe and comfortable. That is my point. Are we not all in this together?

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong on your POV.

[RubyBuckleberry]

that was to weegiemum

[SirBoobAlot]

Eric I have an Urban Detour - cost me £30 out of the Friday Ad. I have more sense than money!

[RubyBuckleberry]

sorry read back your DD not in a wheelchair - am not totally .

[RubyBuckleberry]

sorry - now totally !!!

[omnishambles]

RubyBuckleberry - do you really think that babies in a lieflat Maclaren Techno (for example) arent safe or comfortable? Of course they are.

[Tiredmumno1]

Maybe you shouldnt be so judgey ericnorth, my buggy only cost me twenty quid, it had been used once.

1. it was cheaper than a smaller one.

1. it is more comfortable and sturdy,

it also handled the snow fantastically, great investment in my eyes

[5DollarShake]

But we don't live in an Amazonian rainforest or an African Village...?

What on earth do those women have to do with people who live in a busy city, leading busy lives, transporting child/ren and goods (shopping, groceries, bits and bobs)?

I don't need anything - least of all a pram. I do want one, though.

We bought what we felt was most suitable at the time, and that was a travel system. From birth to toddlerhood - and at 15mos, DS1 is still in his. We have taken it everywhere with us - he has used the cot part to sleep in on all sorts of overseas trips, and it's meant we've only had to buy one pram, instead of clogging up the house with a multitude of different pushchairs.

I don't travel on public transport (or at least very rarely), and when I do, it's virtually empty, so I don't feel bad for not clogging up aisles, etc. We do walk a lot, and so the pram goes out every day.

I am very happy with our choice of pram/pushchair - it's suited us down to the ground, and really am not at all bothered if others aren't.

[RubyBuckleberry]

sorry omnishambles - maybe a bit more of a robust baby but a little one? maybe i am pfb about my ds but i wanted him encased in cottonwool a carrycot rather than a maclaren, as nice as they are for older ones .

tbh i think this is a silly topic - what are you gonna do, ban them? don't think so, so...

yabu

[tvfriend]

YABU

I have a Phil and Teds and a MacLaren. Both have their uses. At one point had 2 non walking DCs and a P&T is a lot smaller than a double side by side. I also live in London and do a LOT of walking and of course there's 'off-roading' in London- Muddy tow paths, Richmond park etc etc. A MacLaren gets stuck in about 2 minutes flat.
The bus argument is also a non-starter. You can fit 2 bugaboos/P&T etc on the buses and they never allow more than 2 prams on at a time anyway- be it 2 large one or 2 tiny buggies and you are always made to get off if a wheelchair gets on (and of course you would anyway).
If we visit family who live in the middle of nowhere I always take the MacLaren because eveybody drives everywhere then
As Rubybuckleberry said: 'In my area of London, everyone makes way for each other, we squeeze in, everyone has a place'. Eactly the same here.
I'm sorry to here about people not making room for disabled children but that is just rudeness- not necessarily London and big buggy owners.

[omnishambles]

Its ok - you can be pfb about your ds - they really are fine though - you just bundle them all up with a lambswool underneath and its all good... and then you only have one pushchair start to finish - oh and start to finish of next dc as well...

[Bigmouthstrikesagain]

Tee hee this does sound just like a rant about landrovers in the city! I lived in London when ds was born and bought a mid priced travel system (3 wheeler) and a soft baby carrier so I was sorted for long walks and public transport. I never attempted to travel on buses with my buggy but did use it on local trains. I have found bumping a child up and down steps and travelling over uneven surfaces much easier with large air tyres and v difficult with tiny little solid wheels. I have had an umbrella fold light buggy but find them unpleasnt to push and unable to carry enough shopping (I don't drive).

So it is unreasonable to blame the buggy for problems caused by people making selfish or impractical decisions when travelling. while still in london I always wondered why people bothered with buggys at all on buses and tubes, when ds was secured to my front I had two hands free and only took up one seat while. Those with buggy's struggled to juggle a baby a buggy and shopping bags etc.!

So yes yabu.

[RubyBuckleberry]

lambswool sounds cosy . have a big one now though so will use that - i have often said it is like he is travelling club class but we didn't buy lots of luxuries/crap that is on the market for babies so we did invest in a nice which I use everyday and have taken on holiday etc etc etc...

love it.

yarestillbu OP - everything tvfriend said although i am proper judgey about P&Ts - how hypocritical can you get sorry tvfriend .

[darkandstormy]

should be banned, they get in the way,take up too much space etc.tired mum you have the same mentality as the staffy owners you bleat on about.Fat prams...fat cars ....fat people.

[BlameItOnTheBogey]

YANBU. I hate, hate, hate monster prams and get really cross when I can't get on the bus because someone is taking up all the space with their 4x4 pram. I have two children under two and I don't drive and yet somehow I manage to get around London easily with a small pushchair and a sling.

[starshaker]

This is the reason there is no way i could get rid of my car (even though i struggle to afford it). How would i manage to fold a twin buggy get shopping sorted and hold 2 newborns. Not really possible

[ooojimaflip]

BlameitOntheBogey - well you are lucky that you don't have back problems or any other problem that makes a sling problematic.

[tvfriend]

Rubybuckleberry- that's OK! 95% of people round here have them so you have to be part of the gang (Think it's because we all have children so bloody old that we all have ridiculously small age gaps and there's not much else we can have!). Have to say my 2 LOVE it, even the bottom seat.
And please everyone, enough of this just use a buggy and sling nonsense. If I put DS in a sling I'd be a cripple. He is enormous and DD walked all the time it would take all day just to get to nursery...

[Tiredmumno1]

Darkandstormy i havent actually ever used it on a bus or got it in anyones way. and btw i am not a sheep and dont bleat

[tvfriend]

Darkandstormy - people with 'fat prams' usually walk a lot more and therefore tend neither to be fat or have fat cars.

[Tiredmumno1]

and staffy owners, when did i bleat on about them??

[Tiredmumno1]

Exactly tvfriend