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Futurama1 · 19/10/2021 18:17

Off the back of some threads today, how much are you aiming to have in a retirement pot?

I’m going for 600k at today’s value which seems an insane amount but 20k per year for 30 years + state pension. What are you aiming for?

I put 2k per month in currently (inc employer contribution)

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Gimlisaxe · 22/10/2021 04:29

[quote silentpool]I don't understand how people say they are putting nothing towards a pension - since 2019 between you and your employer you are meant to be contributing 8%. It's not huge but it is a contribution.

www.gov.uk/workplace-pensions/what-you-your-employer-and-the-government-pay[/quote]
Because those people don't work? For whatever reason

Or do you not mean those?

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sbhydrogen · 22/10/2021 05:01

I contribute 50% of my salary towards my pension, and my employer contributes 4%.

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silentpool · 22/10/2021 06:19

@Gimlisaxe there have been people on the thread that have said they are employed and do not contribute. If so, it would be sensible for them to find out about this, as it is compulsory for at least 8% to be invested for them. Since 2019 anyway. The point is, if you are employed - you are contributing.

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Parker231 · 22/10/2021 06:22

Many opt out of their employers auto enrolment pension scheme as they can’t afford the employee contribution from their salary.

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Feelingoktoday · 22/10/2021 08:43

Some just don’t want to contribute to their pension that seems so far away. When you are 25, 67 seems ancient.

I don’t like handing over x% of my salary but if you start it as soon as you start earning it is easier.

When you choose to be a stay at home parent, ensure the other parent is contributing into a separate pension for you. Do not assume you will have access to their pension like I did and then realise on divorce that they don’t have a pension anymore.

There will be times and people who who can’t afford to pay a pension. If you are on minimum wage, etc it’s not going to happen. They are the people the state need to help.

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GenderApostatemk2 · 22/10/2021 09:33

Auto enrolment for Min wage employees is pitiful, the first £6000odd of earnings doesn’t count for employer contributions 🙄
Employee contribution is probably a week or more’s food money so you can understand the desire to opt out.

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MoiraNotRuby · 22/10/2021 10:03

@Futurama1

I do realise I’m in a privileged position but honestly I’m surprised by how much hate this thread has received.

Clearly I’ve been tone deaf but it was a genuine question not designed to make anyone feel bad.

My brain is struggling with how you can be intelligent and competent enough to hold down a job that pays £60k, which I could never dream of, yet you are surprised that your question would make someone feel bad. How can you be so unaware of the reality of the world?
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Futurama1 · 23/10/2021 21:56

Okay so I’ve been getting a fair bit of heat on here. I’m genuinely sorry if my post appeared tone deaf, I didn’t mean to offend anyone.

For those of you who have asked, I do put in 1.2k myself to pension contributions but as this would have been taxed @40% otherwise, my net take home is down circa 700pcm.

When I say I have made it a priority, I don’t mean to criticise other people’s approach but to do this I am more frugal in other ways. I drive an old banger ‘52 plate’ and live in a modest but nice two bedroom house. I spend on the stuff that’s important to me, socialising, holidays, nice things for DC etc but admittedly have chosen to have low general outgoings.

Anyway, I didn’t mean to piss people off and I do recognise I’m more privileged than some others. That’s about it!

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Futurama1 · 23/10/2021 22:08

And without labouring the point too much, I’ve worked very hard for my salary, I’ve been bloody skint before, living in a dodgy £350 quid a month shared house with some shall we say ‘interesting’ housemates, buying everything from the discount section of the supermarket, walking 3 miles to work as I couldn’t afford a car 😂

Yes, I’ve worked my way up and maybe that’s made me forget the reality of being skint. I am actually thankful to people for reminding me to be more humble!

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SmallWaistFatFace · 24/10/2021 02:33

Stay humble queen 👸

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flapjackfairy · 24/10/2021 08:17

@Futurama1
You dont need to justify yourself imo. You are a v savvy person financially and obviously have your head screwed on. I think the one thing this thread has highlighted is that lots of us are intimidated and confused by financial decisions like pensions and investments and we should be educating people a lot more on these things especially when they are young.
It is worth saving for the future in a pension no matter how little you can put in and it is encouraging how much it can grow over time.

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PoshWatchShitShoes · 24/10/2021 08:54

You've done amazingly well @Futurama1

You should be proud of your savvy financial planning. I'm worried about the penury many of my good friends will be experiencing in retirement. It's bonkers how few of them have any pension at all!!

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OnceUponAThread · 24/10/2021 09:48

@Whydoiwearsomuchleopardprint

2k per month! Absolutely ridiculous, stop it now! Even well off/rich people wouldn’t be doing that, if they had that much spare cash it would be invested properly! With 2k spare each month you would be investing that appropriately and hopefully being advised by your financial advisor!

Why on Earth do you think putting it into a pension is not investing it "properly"?

For starters, op said she's putting in £1200 and her employer is putting in £800. That means that she is getting 66% returns every month through employer contributions alone.

Furthermore she is getting tax relief from the government at her marginal rate.

Then (assuming DC) she is ALSO getting investment returns on top.

At the same time, workplace pensions are subject to a charges cap, which mean they're some of the cheapest investment options possible.

They're also subject to really stringent governance conditions to ensure money is managed well.

Any IFA worth her (or his) salt would suggest that maxing pension contributions is an excellent use of money and she's unlikely to get returns elsewhere that would make up for even the employer contributions.


  • more generally these thread responses are hateful and bonkers. We hear about people paying massive childcare costs and no one blinks. Because childcare is seen as essential. But pension saving is essential too, and it is deeply worrying that it's somehow seen as a luxury.


Yes, many people will struggle to save what OP does, but they also won't NEED to. A general rule of thumb is that you probably want a pot big enough to give you an income worth 50% of your salary to feel comfortable in retirement (although opinions are shifting towards 66%).

That means op needs a pot that will generate a £30k - £45k income - which she is on track to do.

Someone on the National Living Wage will earn approx £18k per year, so to replace 50% of their income the state pension at £9k per year is enough. Once you factor in benefits such as warm homes, winter fuel, bus pass, pensions credit and so on, many will actually take home more than they used to per month. Coupled with fewer costs around commuting etc.

There is a huge crisis around women in retirement, and it's largely facing middle earners who are not saving enough (or anything) to top up their retirement income. Many will suddenly drop from earning £50k a year to having (say) £12k and will struggle massively.

People should be saving more. And one thing to consider is as soon as childcare costs drop, funnelling the extra into a pension. Likewise when mortgages are paid off, then paying that into a pension.

We think nothing of people spending over a grand a month on mortgages because having somewhere to live is essential. Many people stretch themselves to buy a house at the absolute top of their budget (which we also understand). Many people pay childcare which is also essential and understood and costs thousands. The thing is a pension is also essential. Having an income for possibly 35 years in retirement is important. And saving for it should be encouraged as much as possible.

Cumulative interest is powerful. As PP said, if you start in your 20s and save 10% of your income, you should be fine by the end. If you start in your 30s, you need to save 20%, if your 40s it raises even more sharply. Men typically retire with substantially more than women. Education and encouraging people to save early, and seeing pensions as necessary not luxury is critical!
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TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 24/10/2021 10:48

@Futurama1

Okay so I’ve been getting a fair bit of heat on here. I’m genuinely sorry if my post appeared tone deaf, I didn’t mean to offend anyone.

For those of you who have asked, I do put in 1.2k myself to pension contributions but as this would have been taxed *@40*% otherwise, my net take home is down circa 700pcm.

When I say I have made it a priority, I don’t mean to criticise other people’s approach but to do this I am more frugal in other ways. I drive an old banger ‘52 plate’ and live in a modest but nice two bedroom house. I spend on the stuff that’s important to me, socialising, holidays, nice things for DC etc but admittedly have chosen to have low general outgoings.

Anyway, I didn’t mean to piss people off and I do recognise I’m more privileged than some others. That’s about it!

You do not have to justify yourself. Many people only live for now. I have siblings who live in beautiful big houses with top of the range cars and have zero pensions, the live for now mantra is a ticking time bomb.
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CurlyhairedAssassin · 24/10/2021 10:53

Bravo! @OnceUponAThread

That is a fantastic post - brilliant advice!

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Dreamstate · 24/10/2021 13:10

If anything this thread shows even those saving for a pension nvia work, many are heads into he sands when they say they don't even know how much they are paying in or what their outlook it is.

Honestly I do have to be surprised about this. If you cannot even find even 30mins in an entire year to just look over your pension and make sure its on track than really what are you doing? Its your responsibility, make some time to know what u got and where your tracking to be.

Its not hard! Beggars belief people just ignore it. Really no excuse.

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GenderApostatemk2 · 24/10/2021 16:13

A lot of people seemingly want to do nothing and then when it’s too late, complain about it being someone else’s fault.

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Feelingoktoday · 24/10/2021 16:46

@GenderApostatemk2

A lot of people seemingly want to do nothing and then when it’s too late, complain about it being someone else’s fault.

Yes or how unfair it is that they do not have a pension at the age of 60 when someone else has saved into their pension consistently over 40-45 years, taken up the employers contribution and made the most of the govts incentives to save into a pension pot.
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XingMing · 24/10/2021 19:07

Pensions are important. If women don't take them seriously, they are asking to be impoverished in retirement. I do sort of understand why you might be reluctant to commit to a fixed sum saving when you have small children, child care etc to fund, but it ought to be an equal priority. Except that it is 30 years off, and therefore something you can banish into tomorrow -- until you are 55, and the children are grown up, and you are staring at a threadbare future.

I don't want to lecture, but my very MC clever mum, now 86, worked until she was 78 as a MH nurse/carer, and now needs pension credit to top up her income thanks to a bad divorce settlement and a vindictive xDH. My and my sister make sure she gets by, day to day, and eats properly and is warm at home. Fortunately we made her buy a tiny house 25 years ago rather than renting, so she has equity to nibble at, and a roof that can't be taken from her.

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museumum · 24/10/2021 20:32

I’m self employed, as are many women these days. Only half of my available savings are put into a pension. The rest is invested in a stocks and shares isa. There’s very little point in having a good pension if you go bankrupt and loose your home a few years before eligibility. It’s good to have accessible funds too.

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OnceUponAThread · 24/10/2021 20:57

@CurlyhairedAssassin thanks xx

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OnceUponAThread · 24/10/2021 21:00

@museumum

I’m self employed, as are many women these days. Only half of my available savings are put into a pension. The rest is invested in a stocks and shares isa. There’s very little point in having a good pension if you go bankrupt and loose your home a few years before eligibility. It’s good to have accessible funds too.

S&S Isa a good tax wrapper also. Although you miss out on the tax relief combined with the 25% lump sum on take out with pensions, so slightly less good overall from that perspective.

But absolutely critical to have a range of savings - S&S ISA ideally long-term, so I guess it depends what you're saving for and when you need it. Not ideal for emergencies for instance.

Also if self-employed and also saving for a first home then an S&S Lifetime Isa has the government boost.
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LeSquigh · 25/10/2021 09:49

[quote silentpool]@Gimlisaxe there have been people on the thread that have said they are employed and do not contribute. If so, it would be sensible for them to find out about this, as it is compulsory for at least 8% to be invested for them. Since 2019 anyway. The point is, if you are employed - you are contributing.[/quote]
You can opt out and a lot of people do because they can’t afford it.

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