To think I DON'T need to self isolate yet?

[barnabypop]

So I went to a birthday party in a friends garden last night. One of my friends had said she hadn't been feeling well all week, tight chest, headache etc but she'd taken several lateral flow tests so thought she was fine. Well this morning she has had a positive lateral flow test and is awaiting results of PCP test.

I had given her a hug and then touched her phone as she was showing me pictures on it and was sitting next to her most of the night. However, I read on government website that even if you have been in contact with someone with Covid you don't have to isolate until track and trace get in touch.

So am I right in saying I am free to go about as normal until I am contacted by track and trace? Will I even have to isolate if we were outside?

[BlueLipstickRocks]

barnabypop

I'm isolating, I just thought it was weird that on the government website.

More fool you
I sure as heck wouldn’t

And that makes you a arrogant self centered person and the reason why we are in the position we are in.

The only fool here us you.

[Biffbaff]

I'd be so annoyed with a friend if they gave me covid after going to a party knowing they had symptoms. I'd isolate and message her every day telling her what a shit time I was having because of her!

[Mookie81]

@ineedaholidaynow

The OP is isolating, but her employer is requesting proof for why she is isolating

Don't believe her.
She's had her arse handed to her and is now changing her story.

[mam0918]

Also Test and Trace dont always contact everyone, its easy to be missed.

The only person I know that had covid was Asymptomatic and found out through the grapevine that someone they worked next to tested positive, Test and Trace had totally missed them when informing people.

[ErykahBaddy]

Imagine in the current climate not feeling well all week with a tight chest, headache etc. and still going to a party. Jesus.

[Iminaglasscaseofemotion]

Honestly how are people this stupid. Yes OP, if you have caught covid, you will oy be contagious AFTER track and trace contact you.

[NotAnotherAlias]

And as others have posted, it’s the other way around we false negatives and false positives.

[NotAnotherAlias]

@MintyMabel

LF tests are only meant for use for a symptomatic screening (and they’re pretty useless at that anyway).

Except they’re not useless, they are just another tool that allows us to pick up more community cases, usually asymptomatic ones, to try to stop the spread. False negatives are uncommon, false positives are more common which is why you are asked to follow a positive LFT result with a PCR test.

They aren’t perfect but they are far from useless.

I think the US FDA would beg to differ, and there are plenty of scientists and medics in this country with similar concerns. As one of them, I agree with the Americans that they would be more useful in the bin.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/us-health-agency-gives-innova-lateral-flow-covid-tests-scathing-review

[BocolateChiscuits]

Don't wait for Test and Trace. We didn't hear from them at all when our childminder came down with it just before Christmas and tested positive. The day before coming down with it she had both our kids all day and would've kissed and cuddled them. She was quite ill, so who knows if she passed on our details incorrectly, or if Test and Trace just dropped the ball.
But we all isolated, no questions, because we care about protecting others. (And luckily all stayed symptom free.)

[Sometimesfraught82]

@barnabypop

I'm isolating, I just thought it was weird that on the government website.

More fool you
I sure as heck wouldn’t

[ShabbyNat]

I think you should isolate, as while youre still out & about waiting for a confirmation from track & trace you could possibly be spreading the germs/virus!!!<br /> This is how its spreading!!! Yes, you may not have it but if you do-you are spreading the germs

[murbblurb]

your friend fucked up - lateral flow is for asymptomatic only and frankly it is selfish to go to a party with an infection of any sort, which she clearly had.

her fuckup now means you have to isolate.

[Abraxan]

Legally you don't need to.

Morally/ethically - you should.

[mam0918]

@MintyMabel

LF tests are only meant for use for a symptomatic screening (and they’re pretty useless at that anyway).

Except they’re not useless, they are just another tool that allows us to pick up more community cases, usually asymptomatic ones, to try to stop the spread. False negatives are uncommon, false positives are more common which is why you are asked to follow a positive LFT result with a PCR test.

They aren’t perfect but they are far from useless.

You have a 40% chance of a false negative, hardly a small/uncommon amount.

[mam0918]

LFT are only 60% accurate... they are a general provention and tracking tool NOT a diagnositic test for symptomatic people.

If she had symptoms she should have had PCR test... and yes you need to isolate instead of being as selfish as she was - there are still vunerable people who cant be vaccinated.

[Bluesheep8]

It's TEST and trace. Isn't TRACK and trace a service offered by the post office??

[CovidCorvid]

[quote barnabypop]@EastWestWhosBest my employer is looking for proof from track and trace though, that is where the difficulty lies. [/quote]
Now this is an issue.

I’ve had a student ring me before asking if she can come into face to face teaching even though she’d been in close contact with a colleague 2 days before who then tested positive. I said no, they’d worked together in the same room for a shift. But the supermarket she works for had told the positive one that to tell test and trace that nobody had been within 2 m of anyone. So nobody got contacted and told to isolate. Student says they were often within 2m of each other. Tesco told my student to keep coming to work. I told my student not to. She certainly didn’t come to campus but I imagine probably went to work.

[dementedpixie]

@MintyMabel

LF tests are only meant for use for a symptomatic screening (and they’re pretty useless at that anyway).

Except they’re not useless, they are just another tool that allows us to pick up more community cases, usually asymptomatic ones, to try to stop the spread. False negatives are uncommon, false positives are more common which is why you are asked to follow a positive LFT result with a PCR test.

They aren’t perfect but they are far from useless.

It's the other way round - there are a lot of false negatives and fewer false positives.

[lljkk]

It's your interpretation of "need" that wound people up, OP.

"Need" or else govt will punish me

is different from

"need" because I might be an unacceptable risk to others.

Incubation period is usually > 2 days so actually there is a case for saying OP would be reasonable to get a big load of shopping in.

I hope covid gets treated soon like we used to treat flu.

[ThePhantom]

I would stick to the letter of the law or guidance, whatever that might be at the moment. If you are meant to be doing something else, then the guidance would have said so.

[roguetomato]

"False negatives are uncommon, false positives are more common"

I thought it was other way round.

[Yellow85]

@Yellow85

This is really interesting. I wonder if they’ll ever have stats on the number of isolating contact that have tested positive. Longer term there has to be an alternative to whole classes self isolating over and over again…hopefully the science/safety stacks up

Don’t know why this didn’t quote but was in relation to the trial of daily lateral flows for isolating people.

[Yellow85]

This is really interesting. I wonder if they’ll ever have stats on the number of isolating contact that have tested positive. Longer term there has to be an alternative to whole classes self isolating over and over again…hopefully the science/safety stacks up

[roguetomato]

Unless GOV/NHS updates the top symptoms of covid to most recent ones, fever/headache/runny nose/sore throat, Uk is totally doomed.

[MintyMabel]

LF tests are only meant for use for a symptomatic screening (and they’re pretty useless at that anyway).

Except they’re not useless, they are just another tool that allows us to pick up more community cases, usually asymptomatic ones, to try to stop the spread. False negatives are uncommon, false positives are more common which is why you are asked to follow a positive LFT result with a PCR test.

They aren’t perfect but they are far from useless.