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AIBU?

To want a 3rd child even though I already have 2 disabled children

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Fedupmum88 · 05/08/2020 22:20

I have two children with severe asd. I love them both dearly but it is hard work. Alongside the ASD they have a few health issues and sleep disorders. It is very unlikely that they will ever be able to live independently. AIBU to want a third child?

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Oblomov20 · 11/08/2020 02:46

Resentment over not getting the life you thought, due to a difficult child, is a hard thing to overcome for me.

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Noconceptofnormal · 11/08/2020 02:18

Some parents seem to martyr their whole family for the disabled child. Which is not the disabled child's fault and it's unfair to blame having a disabled sibling on having a shit childhood if that was the reason. There is no shame is putting a disabled child into respite for a week while you go on holiday.

I guess this is important to remember for those people with disabled siblings as adults.

Back in the 80s there was no respite care for children with ASD, there were no carers or help. So my mum had to do everything, and as a result I did miss out on loads of things because my sibling couldn't do as well and she didn't feel there were normal child minders out there who could cope with a child with ASD (and she was a teacher so would have been pretty well informed on what there was available).

So yes, I think that is an interesting point.

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Auckland11 · 10/08/2020 20:14

I think if you feel you can cope with having another child then there is no reason you should not have one!

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JanMeyer · 10/08/2020 20:09

I think Jan's point is that one wouldn't say "I'm an autism adult", i.e. ASD is a noun.

Yes, that's exactly my point. And i wish people on MN would stop saying "ASD child" when it's been pointed out on many threads how offensive and reductive it is.

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LonginesPrime · 10/08/2020 18:41

I think Jan's point is that one wouldn't say "I'm an autism adult", i.e. ASD is a noun.

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WeMarchOn · 10/08/2020 18:24

@JanMeyer i say I'm an Autistic adult

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JanMeyer · 10/08/2020 12:47

actually we prefer 1st person..

Yeah, but as your graphic shows, it's "autistic person." Not ASD person or ASD child as so many people on this thread have repeatedly said, despite people pointing it out. Saying "an ASD child" is not person first language, it's pretty much the opposite.
A person IS autistic. But they HAVE autism/ASD. They cannot be ASD. If you say a child "is ASD" or refer to an "ASD child" you are literally saying they are Autism Spectrum Disorder. Which is not only incorrect, it's stupid.

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WeMarchOn · 10/08/2020 07:03

@AriettyHomily actually we prefer 1st person

To want a 3rd child even though I already have 2 disabled children
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LonginesPrime · 08/08/2020 11:19

talking in such generalised terms when actually speaking about personal experience only spreads negativity around having a disabled child

Alabama thanks for posting that helpful link and apologies to anyone who thought my phrasing came across as glib - I was looking at it from the perspective of my teen DS and how he feels, and it never occurred to me (perhaps because of my own neurodivergence/failing to accurately 'read the room') that people would take me to be shitting on disabled people or would interpret what I said about the experience of a sibling as implying any malicious intent on the part of an autistic person when they do lash out.

I am positive about disability generally in life and often challenge negative perceptions of disabled people. I don't feel that acknowledging how challenging it can often be to care for, or be a sibling to, a disabled person undermines the respect and understanding that disabled people are entitled to.

I also assumed that I didn't need to state that I was speaking from personal experience because (1) this is Mumsnet and everyone's just an anonymous random and (2) I'd already stated my personal circumstances upthread so I didn't expect that people would read me as professing to speak on behalf of anyone except myself.

If I came across as negative, that also might be because I'm in a personal situation at the moment where I'm having to push for professionals to appreciate the impact of my other DC's disabilities on my DS (who, for the record, isn't NT) and the only people who seem to recognise the pressure he is under is our local Carers' Centre (who are wonderful and really supportive). The local authority and everyone else seem to think it's fine to leave DS in an untenable situation without the support he desperately needs in the same way they do with me as an adult carer - until I break, I'm (perhaps understandably) not a priority to them, and while I can choose to pick my battles and accept that for myself, it's not good enough for a child to be left to cope with high-needs siblings just because he is managing to survive against the odds as it's clearly impacting his MH.

It's things like being told by one child's therapist to do x to meet that child's needs (for example, don't place any demands on them) but they don't have an answer for how I'm supposed to square that with the fact another child's therapist has told me to do y to meet their needs and these two strategies directly conflict as neither child is living in a vacuum. I'm obviously dealing with it and don't want to derail the thread so don't need advice for my personal situation- I'm just trying (probably still badly!) to explain the kind of complex issues I'm facing further down the line (and, to reiterate, in my own specific circumstances!) in case it's helpful for the OP.

I'm also influenced by the fact my disabled eldest (19) will soon have to move out of our family home into a residential setting as the demands of living in a family (especially with her sibling's SN) places too much pressure on her. Obviously I love my DC to bits and I wouldn't want to be without any of them as they're all bloody amazing. But I'm conscious that I would have been able to continue to care for my eldest at home for the rest of her life had I had fewer children.

Obviously I had no idea things would turn out like this when they were younger - what started off as a two-parent family with quirky, energetic "non-disabled" children and a strong support network has morphed over time into a single parent family, zero support (lockdown, family illness, parental ageing, etc) and three disabled teens with multiple diagnoses in crisis. We will be fine in the long run and I'm working really hard to hold organisations to account and get the necessary state support (health/social care, etc). But had I realised the extent of my DCs' neurodivergence (and one's LD) when they were younger and had I appreciated all the issues this might create, there's no way I would have had three.

My point is really that adding one extra person creates multiple additional relationships in a family dynamic and that this, combined with the imbalanced nature of a number of those relationships as a result of a person's disabilities, might create issues and tensions that aren't immediately obvious. That's all.

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MrsTidyHouse · 08/08/2020 10:33

I've not read your previous or all of this thread, and I think some replies are very harsh in their tone.

I don't think you are unreasonable wanting a "normal" child. But it would be very selfish to have a third child.

I think you are experiencing grief for the child(ren) you thought you would have, and you should seek out help to navigate this process. I too know the longing for the kind of child in magazines and tv, but IME it's better to concentrate on finding practical and emotional support for the ones you have and love.

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Alabamawhirly1 · 08/08/2020 10:14

No, many of us are giving advice based on the OP's OWN previous threads.

If that's the case then my post wasnt directed at you, and so there was really no need for you to repost my entire comment and reply was there. 🤨

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ThatsNotMyMeerkat · 08/08/2020 10:00

@Alabamawhirly1

I think the issue here op is people are giving advice based on their own experience of disability.

Only you know your children and what life would be like for a 3rd child, and only you really know whether you can handle another child.

There was a tread on here a few years ago where adults who grew up with disabled children posted their insight and experiences into it.
I found it quite helpful.

I found largely, how it effects the typical children was mainly based around two things. What sort of disabilities the sibling had, and how the parents treated the children.

Many children were forced to miss out on things because a disabled sibling couldn't join in. I rember one person said they couldn't have an ice skating party because their dB wouldn't be able to join in. Others said everything was always about the disabled child, it was never about them. Many also said the parents refused support and respite. These are obviously parenting choices, which not all (myself included) parents would make. They're also choices that parents of typical children make or parents with one gifted child. So not exclusive to raising a child with disabilities. Despite what others have said, a disabled children's needs do not have to always come first. This is a choice. And like any parent with multiple children, you can in fact prioritise different children's needs at different times.

The other major factor was having a sibling with sever aggression and/or behaviour problems. Most people with learning disabled siblings or siblings with physical disabilities said it actually enriched their lives, the same for people with siblings with health problems.

I'll see if I can find the thread. Although I appricate life can be hard if you have a child or sibling with behaviour problems, that "treat you like crap 🤔" that is not the situation for most people with a disabled family member, and talking in such generalised terms when actually speaking about personal experience only spreads negativity around having a disabled child.

No, many of us are giving advice based on the OP's OWN previous threads.
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Alabamawhirly1 · 08/08/2020 09:45

@Valambtine

That's exactly it.

In most cases the impact a disabled child has on the rest of the family is up to the parents. If my Ds can't do somthing then we simply don't take him. He has carers or I can leave him with relatives. Me and my other children don't miss out. Some things we will do with him, but then go another time without so my typical children also get to enjoy the day with my full attention.

Some parents seem to martyr their whole family for the disabled child. Which is not the disabled child's fault and it's unfair to blame having a disabled sibling on having a shit childhood if that was the reason. There is no shame is putting a disabled child into respite for a week while you go on holiday.

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Valambtine · 08/08/2020 09:32

@Alabamawhirly1
I agree. My autistic DS doesn't like going on day trips, and if he is forced to come along he sometimes ruins it for everyone by refusing to get out of the car.
So now he's old enough, he stays home if he doesn't want to join us, but the rest of us still go out.

On holidays we run the same system (he is happy to come on holiday under these rules) : we decide where we are going and ask if he wants to join us. Sometimes he does and sometimes he chooses to stay home. We leave his packed lunch for him and the rest of us head on out.

When he was much younger if he didn't want to join a trip, we would separate and one of us would stay home with him and the other would take the others out.

I would never say that one of the kids couldn't have a party because he didn't like it or couldn't join in. It's their lives and their house just as much as his.

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Alabamawhirly1 · 08/08/2020 09:31

I can't find the thread but this is an interesting article on the effects of having a disabled sibling.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/parenting/wp/2016/12/20/8-things-siblings-of-children-with-special-needs-struggle-with/%3foutputType=amp

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Alabamawhirly1 · 08/08/2020 09:20

I think the issue here op is people are giving advice based on their own experience of disability.

Only you know your children and what life would be like for a 3rd child, and only you really know whether you can handle another child.

There was a tread on here a few years ago where adults who grew up with disabled children posted their insight and experiences into it.
I found it quite helpful.

I found largely, how it effects the typical children was mainly based around two things. What sort of disabilities the sibling had, and how the parents treated the children.

Many children were forced to miss out on things because a disabled sibling couldn't join in. I rember one person said they couldn't have an ice skating party because their dB wouldn't be able to join in. Others said everything was always about the disabled child, it was never about them. Many also said the parents refused support and respite. These are obviously parenting choices, which not all (myself included) parents would make. They're also choices that parents of typical children make or parents with one gifted child. So not exclusive to raising a child with disabilities. Despite what others have said, a disabled children's needs do not have to always come first. This is a choice. And like any parent with multiple children, you can in fact prioritise different children's needs at different times.

The other major factor was having a sibling with sever aggression and/or behaviour problems. Most people with learning disabled siblings or siblings with physical disabilities said it actually enriched their lives, the same for people with siblings with health problems.

I'll see if I can find the thread. Although I appricate life can be hard if you have a child or sibling with behaviour problems, that "treat you like crap 🤔" that is not the situation for most people with a disabled family member, and talking in such generalised terms when actually speaking about personal experience only spreads negativity around having a disabled child.

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LonginesPrime · 08/08/2020 08:54

Fortunately my children aren’t violent but they are still young so I’m aware this could change as they get older

Mine weren't violent and their anxiety didn't skyrocket until they hit puberty. During childhood, they were just cheeky and spirited. Plus, the bigger they grow, the more consequential the same behaviours become because of their size and strength.

That said, mine also have a rare genetic condition that exacerbates their anxiety (not diagnosed until after puberty hit when it became a massive issue) and everyone is different so hopefully your DC won't go through the same. Anxiety is awful for anyone, but it can be utter hell for people with conditions like neurodevelopmental difficulties and/or LD.

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Aquamarine1029 · 08/08/2020 03:48

It’s so hard when you have this longing for something but I think I know deep down having a 3rd child isn’t what’s best for everyone else.

It's not best for anyone. Don't have a third child.

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Fedupmum88 · 08/08/2020 03:38

@stretchedmarks

As someone who has a sibling with severe autism, I've voted YABU.

It's honestly been really shit a lot of the time. Everything is limited. You constantly don't feel like a priority. Your needs are seen as less important. You can't do basic things that nearly every other kid can do (like have friends over). The atmosphere at home is horrible, especially during and after a meltdown. Doing my exams was horrendous- I was trying to study in my room and he broke the kitchen door. So for the extent of my GCSEs and A Levels I had to listen to screaming and shouting all of the time. I ended up staying up til 6am most nights because it was the only time the house was actually quiet. I also felt like I had to stay home when I went to uni incase anything happened, so it was much of the same.

Even now, as a mum of two kids, my mum can't just come out to the park with me and the kids. There's so many hoops to jump through. And I can't even visit home, anymore. Last time I went, I had to run out of there before I got hit.

If you didn't have a NT child, I honestly feel like you'd be pushed to the absolute limit. I see what it's like first hand to parent an autistic adult. It's relentless and tough. I don't know what my parents are going to do when they get older (and their set up is one of the best I've seen for looking after an autistic adult- my dad is self employed so can come home at any time, my mum stays at home to look after him, they're luckily okay for money and they live in the country so they have space and things like noise complaints etc aren't an issue).

I just wouldn't. I totally get why you would want to. My mum herself wanted three kids, always did, but chose to stop at 2 after his diagnosis. She knew she couldn't cope with two non NT kids. I know my post has made it sound like they weren't good parents (they were! They did their absolute best), but it doesn't matter what you do, IMO. It's always going to be tough.

Don't make your life any harder than it needs to be. Take advantage of as much help as you can get. Use respite care. Fight hard to ensure your kids have places at a proper school/adult care facility (even if it's only 9am to 2pm a few days a week). As they get older, it gets so much tougher, and you'll need that support. With two kids, you might get a bit of free time and it'll keep you sane and happy. Three just makes it harder for all of you.

I totally do get that my response probably is hard to read, but I'm just giving you the perspective of a sibling. It's worth considering before you do TTC, if that's what you choose.

Thank you so much for your sharing your experience. It must be so hard not being able to visit your parents. Fortunately my children aren’t violent but they are still young so I’m aware this could change as they get older.

It’s so hard when you have this longing for something but I think I know deep down having a 3rd child isn’t what’s best for everyone else.
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ClickandForget · 08/08/2020 01:19

Who's going to look after them once you're incapable or dead????

I have an adult daughter with severe LD. This question hangs over me every day. Haven't found a satisfactory answer yet.

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Valambtine · 08/08/2020 00:11

@stretchedmarks
I see what it's like first hand to parent an autistic adult.

Whilst I have a great deal of sympathy for your situation which sounds incredibly hard: gently, you have seen what it's like to parent your autistic brother. Not all autistic adults are the same; the majority are not violent or aggressive. My adult autistic son is a gentle soul who is much more vulnerable than he is aggressive. He picks caterpillars up of the pathway and moves snails to safe places. He struggles with socialising and organising and communicating which take up more of my parenting time than his siblings do. But he isn't ruining their lives in any way at all. I hope when they are old and I am gone that they keep in touch with him. My biggest fear is that without someone out there advocating for him, he is the sort of person who might end up hording or living rough. He isn't equipped for this world, but he is gentle all through.

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Embracelife · 08/08/2020 00:00

If you have the money the space aNd a great support network go for it.
You may have a third child with similar or more severe ASD. Consider that scenario.
If you still say yes then go for it..

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MileyWiley · 07/08/2020 23:56

Sorry, mistakenly thought you were a single parent. But my view still stands. It's not fair on the sibling.

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MileyWiley · 07/08/2020 23:54

Another neurotypical sibling of a disabled child here, please don't do it to them. I love my brother and my parents were together during our childhood, but I'd hate to think how even more lonely I would have felt if there had been another of him and only one of my parents in the home.

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LonginesPrime · 07/08/2020 23:32

you're basically saying that all kids with disabled siblings get treated like crap

The first words of mine that you quoted make it quite clear that I didn't say that.

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