To say that violence is never justified?

[hibbledobble]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52949014

There are shocking levels of violence against officers currently, this is not ok.

[FliesandPies]

But it's clear on here that people who are for the protests will not denounce the violence towards police officers doing their jobs.

Is it clear? The OP, despite their supposed pacifism, has made the discussion all about the violence of protesters. Pp who don't agree with that are arguing against it, that doesn't mean they in any way approve of violent attack on police officers doing their jobs.

[chomalungma]

I admire the tactics of Gandhi when it came to non violence.

OTOH - there are people who are oppressed and who have used non violence and it's got nowhere. How do you fight oppression when you have little power and those in power use violence to oppress you? I am thinking of all those murderous regimes that have ever existed.

And then it comes to WW2 for example - we were under attack. At what point is violence necessary to defend yourself?

[Livelovebehappy]

outcomethewolves I already have commented on violence on both sides? I can still abhor police brutality whilst also giving my opinion on the violence against police last night. There are no rules to say you can only be on the side of one section. But it's clear on here that people who are for the protests will not denounce the violence towards police officers doing their jobs. They seem too blinkered to even consider that violence is wrong whatever the circumstance.

[Avenueofcherryblossom]

If used correctly one of them would not have been galloping among a crowd of people who must have been shitting themselves while its rider was flat out after riding into a traffic light

added police horse cock up

You don’t know what you are talking about.

[lilmishap]

"Shocking levels of violence"

Not as bad as is seen at every bloody protest, many football matches, some carnivals, City centres late at night on a regular basis. The police were saying it went well last night/early morning.

But what would they know

[lilmishap]

Will we hear about the protesters injured by the horse? I saw it take out at least one protester. Not a word said on the news. But false suggestions she was knocked off by a missile despite footage showing otherwise were shown briefly this morning. Why?

Where was the looting and rioting?


I saw a protest turn into a shitshow very quickly and injuries and violence were STILL minimal despite the potential for an actual riot and a horse galloping down a street due to police error.

A Small group wanting violence is at every protest.

Police horses get shit thrown at them, they get punched, they are antagonistic if used incorrectly.

If used correctly one of them would not have been galloping among a crowd of people who must have been shitting themselves while its rider was flat out after riding into a traffic light.

There was a MASSIVE cock up and the police know it and the media know it because they were showing it live on tv.

Even your link isn't focused on 'shocking levels of violence' because there were none to focus on it was a bog standard protest with added police horse cock up.

[Greysparkles]

Are we only allowed to care about one circumstance of violence at a time?

[OutComeTheWolves]

@livelovebehappy what about the 7666 black Africans dead at the hands of police brutality. Comment on that too if you're so against violence.

[Avenueofcherryblossom]

The ONLY officer in hospital I'm aware of was thrown from her horse which then galloped down a crowded street

My understanding is that the horse bolted because the crowd were attacking it, throwing missiles at it.

You sound very casual about a woman lying seriously injured in hospital.

[SimonJT]

I’m sorry, I can’t find your thread about state sanctioned violence.

[Livelovebehappy]

lilmishap please check the facts before posting - a dozen police officers in hospital. And then you imply that the horse was also at fault by ‘galloping down a crowded street’. And yes, I absolutely agree there is police brutality in the world, but that does not excuse someone throwing objects and attacking someone who is doing their job. Every single one of the protesters who attacked people should be identified and arrested. But we all know it won’t happen.

[Greysparkles]

Also the lack of social distancing is galling.

[Brieandcheddar]

Sick to death of people allowing free rein to literally destroy of country and actually hurt people.
Looters, rioters are destroying lives, many black lives at that. I just dont get it.
Ive heard many black people state they do not want this. They want peaceful protests.
It cannot escape people on here many of the looters and rioters are white and yet we have people sticking up for them saying this is the only way.
Absolutely stupid. They are not there for BLM. They are there to riot and steal.

[Greysparkles]

Then you explain to me how black people are to get equal rights

Explain to me how throwing bikes at horses completes that aim?

[Weebitawks]

Then you explain to me how black people are to get equal rights ? Should they sit quietly until the white man decides to bestow the safety and rights upon them?

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen..rights have to be taken. Ask yourself how we as a society let this shit happen.

[TheNavigator]

Martin Luther King was against violence. And they shot him. I can understand black people are getting a bit fed up being told to be nice and not be violent when they continue to be on the receiving end of violence.

[Sicktaethebackyeeth]

The person throwing a bike at the horse should be put in jail. Despicable

[AlwaysCheddar]

And why throw bikes and stuff at horses? Animal cruelty....

[AlwaysCheddar]

There’s at least a dozen police hurt so far....

[lilmishap]

The protest was caused by police brutality.

The ONLY officer in hospital I'm aware of was thrown from her horse which then galloped down a crowded street.

You have NO idea what the circumstances were ONLY what the media says. For decades the media told you that the police were NOT battering black and asian people and you believed that too,.

[Livelovebehappy]

Saying violence is justified?? Seriously? What about one of the police officers lying injured in hospital this morning. He was doing his job. Why does he deserve violence against him? Why does his wife and his children deserve to have to sit at his bedside worried and distraught? If we didn’t have police on the streets, who else would have been the target of this thuggery? Violence is never okay, because as soon as this is introduced to the protests, the argument is lost, and the points you are trying to make are done. Shocked that people seem to think it’s okay for innocent people to be attacked and hospitalised.

[AlwaysCheddar]

A protest shouldn’t involve violence. I think there’s too many people attending looking for an excuse to have a fight, vandalise etc.

[Chaotic45]

@hibbledobble it would be a good idea for you to do more reading about the suffragette movement if you don't believe their violent and disruptive protests payed a huge part in gaining the vote. You will find that their vote would not have come about when it did if it wasn't for their actions.

[DeeCeeCherry]

Well OP you've not mentioned the string of violent racist murders leading to protests at all so I assume you CAN justify violence when it's against black people

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Genuine pacifism, like the Quakers in the wars is noble. Costa Rica not having a standing army? Noble.

Using your putative pacifism to criticise the BLM movement? I think I know what you are doing.