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Social housing stigma?

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Icantsleep3am · 01/04/2019 04:02

I came across a thread here on MN and was struck at vile abuse thrown at the Op regarding her post on her situation in social housing. Assumptions were made (untrue), of lasiness, irresponsibily spewing sprogs around, using the system, being benefit scrounges etc. It made me wonder - why people make these assumptions?
I grew up in a family with a very strong work ethic, only relying on yourself, always striving to have a better life etc. I was ambitious, driven, hard working, had a high flying career in the past, yet the circumstances are that I live in social housing. I always invisaged myself being successful, having own house, financially secure. But an illness from which I nearly died, although I made a complete recovery, few financial setbacks when I lost all savings shook my confidence. Then I met and fell in love with my now husband (who incidentally believed that ownership was bourgeois and against his principles), by the time I recovered from my illness I was just about to pass my childbearing years. So we had children (2) without having time to save up for a house, but according to some posters on the other thread, poor people have no right to have children! And all hope of buying a place flew out of the window again when my husband got diagnosed with cancer (he’s recovered now) and now we are both past the age when we could get a mortgage. We are overcrowded, quite severely but it is a separate issue. So any time I talk about it I feel judged. We don’t abuse the system; both me and my husband work hard; we pay rent - cheaper than private, but nonetheless, and not that cheap; we pay taxes; we don’t claim benefits. So why there is such a shame around the issue of social housing - why everyone thinks I have a lesser right to life than those who own their houses? Why such a patronising attitude?

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IceIceCoffee · 05/04/2019 14:58

I’m in social housing we had to pass a rent ready check , checking working hours and money earned . A lot of people do work. We don’t get it for nothing.

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TheQueef · 05/04/2019 14:54

You heard of NI National Insurance Greg?

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GregoryPeckingDuck · 05/04/2019 14:52

You chose having children over providing for yourself. I can understand that. I think most people would make the same decision. But you have to take responsibility. Obviously sometimes like illness weren’t your fault (although you could have mitigated by properly insuring yourselves but obviously insurance companies sometimes do pay out). But no one forced you to have children you couldn’t provide for. That was very much your doing. Perhaps if there were fewer people throwing up their hands and listing off a couple of unfortunate circumstances (here’s a news flash, most of us have problems) then people would be more understanding.

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HelenaDove · 05/04/2019 14:48
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TheQueef · 05/04/2019 14:39

If you haven't already seen it on channel 5 demand there is a Michael Portillo doc about social housing, made last year, really interesting.
Channel four also have a Dispatches from a couple of weeks ago, covers Sanctuary HA, a real eye opener.

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HelenaDove · 04/04/2019 19:23

Thanks OP Thanks

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LadyB49 · 03/04/2019 02:05

Please excuse all the auto correct that I missed. It's the middle of the night.

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LadyB49 · 03/04/2019 02:03

As I mentioned in an ear list post I bought an ex council house. It was a lovely area and won awards for best kept estate. The houses in either side were still rented from the council and I had many happy years there. Until my lovely neighbour aged 85 died. The new tenant was a emergency housing.... Her ex came kicking the door during the night. The police were regularly called for disruptive behaviour. Ashes from the fire were regularly emptied into the garden. The Garden also became dog poo central. Recreate son was arrested when the house was raised for drugs. Mum went off for days leaving teens and it then became party time for days in end. Eventually iron grids went onto the Windows for their safety, such was their lifestyle...... After a year I sold my house as I could stick it no longer. Our lovely wee area was no more.
Complaints to the council did no good.

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Icantsleep3am · 03/04/2019 00:09

HelenaDove, you are really well informed!
TheQueef, I agree with all your comments!
Island81, hope your troubles with DV and your health are well behind you.

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EC22 · 03/04/2019 00:06

Housing benefit is means tested so if you have a work pension you won’t be entitled to it once you retire. It’s the biggest drawback of decent social housing- you will always need to pay rent.

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Islands81 · 02/04/2019 23:52

I live in social housing. I got housed here because of domestic violence. I have a disabled child and I have PTSD and ME. It’s difficult for me to earn much for these reasons.

I have fairly wealthy parents who could quite easily have helped me out but for whatever reason they didn’t. So this is where I am, and I’m really grateful for a secure and affordable place to raise my children.

If anyone has a problem with that, then bollocks to them, quite frankly.

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AgentJohnson · 02/04/2019 23:43

The UK has a very strange obsession with home ownership. I was born in social housing and am currently living in social housing, fortunately for me, I no longer live in the UK so don’t have to perpetually roll my eyes when people make stupid comments.

The situation is much better than in the UK because social housing is still being built, just moved to a new build with underfloor heating and solar panels on the roof. However, social housing here has similar pressures in that demand far outstrips supply. As hated as the bedroom tax is, it was introduced for a reason and was the stick the the house swap carrot.

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TheQueef · 02/04/2019 20:51

A HA project, buying houses near the hospital, renovating and restricting the lets to NHS workers caused a riot our Facebook page X2 because all the new tenants were foreigners.
Apparently they were determined to shoe horn EE European people in to the village and this was all a cunning plan.
It was embarrassing.

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x2boys · 02/04/2019 19:28

News*

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x2boys · 02/04/2019 19:28

I was reading an article in my local
paper earlier ,apparently my housing association is proposing too build 43 new houses on some green belt land I was reading the comments ,apparently my rent and tv license is free and bills are subsidised i and we are all on benefits it's need to me!

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Asta19 · 02/04/2019 19:13

I will just point out that not everybody in SH lives on estates. My HA owns only I think 3 or 4 houses in the street I’m in. It’s not any kind of estate, just a normal street. There’s nothing to mark my house out as “different” from anyone else’s. So you don’t always know who is and isn’t a SH tenant. Likewise some people have bought houses on estates and people presume they are tenants, when they actually own.

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MadameAnchou · 02/04/2019 17:11

YANBU

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Hersheys · 02/04/2019 16:44

When I first met my now DH, he was renting from his DF on a very undesirable estate. We both were the only people we knew of that actually bothered working (legally) and also seemed the only ones without 5/6/7+ animals children. A lot actually did work, as cowboys/rip off merchants/shop lifters but also claimed the maximum in benefits. Sat out on the front all summer with bottles of cider, smoking, sweating and generating just being nuisances.
That now is my idea of social housing estates sadly as it's the only one I've been around for any length of time. I however would not bash anybody openly to them about their choices and I'm sure there are decent people living on such estates somewhere.
I'm not even sure what point I'm trying to make here actually...just trying to point out why many people see social housing tenants in this way when sadly not all are like this

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LuvSmallDogs · 02/04/2019 12:55

Makes me larf the local FB groups- states house this, states house that. You don’t click your fingers and get one. Our claim finally went somewhere after spending almost a year in inadequate temp housing. We got an old sofa bed so kids could have the bedroom. Mechanism bust, couldn’t afford another, so spent months kipping on a corner sofa - me on two seater bit, DH on the three seater bit. We woke up in agony from being so scrunched up each morning.

Almost everyone I know around my age who got social housing here has had a shit time getting it - shit temp housing, sleeping in cars, women’s DV shelter, the “single mums” home, social workers etc. People who technically fill the criteria but are comfortable in decent rentals don’t get a look in.

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Ablemaybel · 02/04/2019 12:12

I grew up in social housing. Families were moved from slum clearance housing in north London to new housing estates in Hertfordshire.

All families we knew on the estate were hard working people, who took pride in their new homes and gardens.

Many bought their homes under the right to buy scheme, and there are only a few HA homes left on the estate now. My parents home is still HA owned and looks no better/worse than the private homes that surround it.

I now own my home along with my husband after being left money from his family. During the early years of our marriage we lived in a council flat, then a house when we had children. Again we had lovely neighbours, some we still keep in touch with.

People do now judge families living in social housing. This didn't seem to be the case for us years back when my parents first became council tenants.

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LipstickforFish · 02/04/2019 10:19

I don't have an issue with social housing, I use to live in HA properties so I am grateful they exist - what I do not like about HA properties and probably the reason the stigma exists is the small minority of social housing tenants that absolutely take the piss and create the whole stereotype of the "social housing tenant".

When I lived with my parents in a HA property, we had at least four families on our road that exploited the system by having child after child to "force" the HA to give them a bigger property. Neither parent worked and had no desire to do so. They were also all horrifically antisocial and believed they could do whatever they wanted.

Just the behaviour of these four properties made our road "notorious" and it actually made me ashamed to live there.

It is tenants like these that give social housing a bad name and it isn't fair as most social housing tenants are not like this at all!

When I moved out with my then boyfriend, it was a HA flat. The people around us were all generally hard working and well behaved but again, the area had a bad reputation because it was "social housing", apparently due to previous tenants behaving badly.

When we purchased our first house on shared ownership, it was classed as affordable housing. I remember overhearing the people who purchased the house behind us (big expensive private house) complaining about how they would have to relocate their patio so the "social housing" couldn't see them when they dined outside Hmm

In my experience, the stigma attached to social housing is due to the antisocial behaviour of the minority and the fact that the HA's have little power to do anything to stop the bad behaviour. The majority of social housing seems to be treated like a lower social class these days.

Not to mention, shows like that "benefits street" only add to peoples beliefs that all social housing is like that

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darkriver19886 · 02/04/2019 10:01

There is stigma.
I lost my lovely private flat about 18 months ago due to not being afford the rent once my children were taken in to care. After living in supported housing for a while I was eventually offered my little flat.

When I found out I got my HA flat people warned me that it was a dangerous place to live and advised me not to take the place. It had a reputation.

Been here 10 months now and haven't had a single problem. Next door works full time and are really friendly. Above me is a small family and apart from the occasional child crying I haven't had any complaints. (not that I have ever complained to the family about it)

Everyone says hello to each other, children play outside and are generally respectful. The HA seem to have a good mix of people here. Some work, some dont.

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TheQueef · 02/04/2019 09:50

Social housing worked. (We wouldn't have the men to fight ww2 without it)
Even the Right to buy worked (loath as I am to credit Thatcher) social mobility booned.
What we needed and need is more social housing to be built.
We should be angry we were robbed by central gov keeping the proceeds of RTB.
We should be furious the existing SH is being sold to housing associations for execs to profit.
Instead we castigate people for needing or wanting to use SH as it were intended, and on mnet blame them for having children.

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