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To be green with envy at people who had 'good enough' parents and didn't suffer abuse as children?

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WannaRant · 05/10/2018 13:04

Just that.

People who didn't have their souls shattered as children and were shown that they were of value, were loved and that they mattered, even if not all the time.

Its difficult, if not impossible, to try to retrain your goddamn brain from scratch as an adult and a parent, especially when your life is already stressful due to lack of support, financially due to low attainment, and emotionally due to all the trauma you've suffered.

I'd never wish my life experiences on anybody but why me?!!

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Stripybeachbag · 09/10/2018 10:17

Sorry for the typos!

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Stripybeachbag · 09/10/2018 10:15

WannaRant lots of Flowers. I can glimpse what you have gone through. My father was laid back and benign neglect is what I say about him. My mother had an idolised idea of how children should act and constantly criticised me when I didn't fulfil that. Very little love. No praise, no positive attention. I learnt that the only attention I got was negative and I played up to get that. I look back on my childhood and shudder at how I was ignored and the things that were said to me. I grew up believing no-one liked me (my family still talk about how useless and awful I was). I was shy and awkward as a child and am certainly have an avoidant personality as an adult. I suffer from intrusive OCD, anger issues and anxiety. I have married a man who is equally fucked up from his parents. Together we are a mess.

I feel my abuse was minor compared to others and would could have been. I know how it has affected and coloured my whole life. If things were up a notch as yours was, I can understand how your mental world would be very very difficult.

I had dd late and am so glad. I used to sabotage relationship because I was emotionally needy, was verbally abusive to boyfriends and lost my temper when treated with disrespect (after only going for men that treated me badly). I had no idea how to people in a healthy relationship spoke or treated each other. And as I say ended up with the male version of my mother.

I trained as a teacher and learnt the basics of positive psychology and that positive attention is the best way to deal with behaviour problems. It was like a revelation. Be nice to someone to get the best out of them. Who knew! I believe if I had of had dd before my teacher training I would have inadvertently repeated some of my mother's mistakes.

I am a great believer in neuroplasticity. But at the same time, I recognise that it is bloody hard work. I hope that the OP and other posters get some respite.

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MinaPaws · 09/10/2018 09:44

@WannaRant - that's so sad, But so revealing. Must have been a huge breakthrough to realise you were carrying that weight of self-rejection around day in day out. I hope you can feel closer and kinder your youngr self now. And to your own reflection.

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MinaPaws · 09/10/2018 09:42

I salute all those very very courageous souls who had to learn to be decent parents, to break the evil cycles, it is no mean feat indeed.

So do I @oprahfan. Every single one. I know I've not been a perfect parent, but I am proud of what I've overcome. I don't scream at my kids all day long. I never expect them to parent me or shoulder my emotional issues. I don't wallow in self pity and our house is not chaotic. There are clean clothes, comfortable beds, fair pocket money. We care where they are and who they are with. We care how they are doing at school, socially and academically.

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WannaRant · 08/10/2018 23:31

I did some inner child work with a very good therapist I saw for 18 months and she got me to imagine that my 7/8 year old self was sitting in the chair next to me, to talk to her, try to make her feel safe and work up to giving her a hug so to speak. I couldn't do it! I imagined her as a Chucky type figure with red eyes. I was furious with her and couldn't find any empathy at allAngry.

We also did some looking in a mirror stuff for positive affirmations but I couldn't do that either. I saw myself as a sort of grotesque creature. I didn't realise that that was the way I felt about myself subconsciously. No wonder I felt socially inferior. It was eye opening. I have come on a little bit since then thankfully Grin.

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WannaRant · 08/10/2018 23:13

Oh Oprah and all of you Flowers. I am so sorry you're all walking this same path but heartened that I'm not on it on my own.

I was never suicidal until my mother and my siblings disowned me, not that I missed her as such, but because she insisted I was so evil and disgusting and deserved everything I got, that I truly believed I was a risk to my DC and might cause them harm. I had seriously decided that they'd be better off with me dead and DH remarrying a 'normal' woman. It makes me shudder that I used to think like that now. The only thing that stopped me was that I couldn't think of a 'clean and non traumatic to who'd ever find me' method!

I have sort of accepted that this is my lot now. A half life, head down, never able to show my true self in case I scare people away, isolation, anxiety constantly draining the energy to actually 'do' anything constructive with my life, OCD intrusive thoughts, shame, guilt, always worrying I'm doing something wrong. I have to keep going now because my DC don't deserve to be affected by my childhood.

Sometimes I think what I could have done with my life, how I would feel without all that shit going on inside.

I have a vivid memory of being a child of about 7 skipping into school (having got myself ready and out the door while my mother was still in bed), full of joy and relief to be there and loads of kids calling my name and running over to me. I was actually popular once but that was before the SA started. I was top of the class always finishing my work long before everyone else not that anyone outside of school cared. I had an amazing imagination and truly believed in magic. I found a poem that I'd written and decorated that my mother had kept from the same age, full of fairies, butterflies, hearts and flowers. What could I have become? What could we all have becomeSad.

I hope one day, I get just a tiny bit of that little girl back.

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oprahfan · 08/10/2018 19:52

Oh my goodness Mariel........I agree with the short term memory loss, hair falling out in handfuls. I could cry for you. I am so terribly sorry to hear how you have suffered.

But as you say, all the filth and dirt and shattered souls are to land at the feet of the abusers, not those who have suffered.
That is a healthy realisation, and I hope and pray all of those shattered souls get to a healthier place.
I do think about suicide just about every day at the moment, that is how low I feel. I know very well that the abuse and assaults were not my fault.
It takes huge character and truth to break the horrendous cycle.
There is no way on earth I could have my gorgeous boys hating me.
I couldn’t have them growing up feeling confused, lonely and with no one to turn to.
I salute all those very very courageous souls who had to learn to be decent parents, to break the evil cycles, it is no mean feat indeed.
The psychologist that I receive therapy from cannot understand how I have survived. I don’t know either!
Many other poor souls have not survived, and I feel so terribly sad to know that.
Love and light to you all 🌺💐🌸🌼

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pumpkinnicelatte · 08/10/2018 15:20

Thank you so much for starting this thread OP and to everyone who has contributed. I can relate to so much of what has been said. It feels very isolating to have had a troubled abusive background, particularly when it was 'covered up' and not exposed to anyone in the outside world who might have helped.
What a feat it is to raise our own children and break the cycle. I've had therapy for years but that residual sense of inadequacy and constant hypervigilance and anxiety is something I'm realising may just always be background noise.
Like others I am nc with a few remaining family members and I chose an abusive spouse so am divorced, so it all adds to the isolation and shame feelings. Often I find it hard to interact with and trust people.
I have recently however learned to like myself more and to start to recognise that just surviving it all is an achievement, just breaking that cycle and keeping going. I've been constantly seeking achievements and goals but I can see now that whatever I do achieve, the 'proving myself' isn't necessary, it's self acceptance and self care that's needed really.
Warm wishes to all of you. We aren't alone really are we Flowers

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 08/10/2018 14:53

NellyBarney, your life sounds very much like mine. And to make a good career, life and family for yourself whilst carrying this weight of baggage with you is no mean feat.

I was recently in a similar place. I had no idea I was traumatised, or that despite an apparently confident exterior I was putting out the kind of unconscious signals that attract abusers. I attracted them because I'd previously been a victim of abuse. I was unaware, got on with my life, and then, almost 2 decades later I found myself (not for the first time) the target of sexual harassment and stalking at work. I got sick. Hair falling out in handfuls, zero concentration, pain in every joint, terrifying short-term memory loss. I felt 80+, and was afraid I might have early-onset dementia. Then I realised I was responding to specific triggers and wondered if it was possibly PTSD. This was since confirmed, and I've been in intensive therapy - now nearly concluded - for a year.

Those frightening symptoms have gone. I'm often told cPTSD lasts for life. Time will tell, but I have reason to hope this isn't true. Memories don't change, it's true, but they can be divested of their power to control our present. The most important step for me has been to stop internalising other people's shit. The abuse was about the abusers; not me. Their actions define them; not me. The immediacy - the flashbacks - are gone. And for the first time I'm starting to believe that it IS possible to recover from a condition I've suffered from for nearly 3 decades, and had no idea I had.

I'm posting this as I want others to see it's possible for them to get better, even having been severely traumatised as I was. I refuse to think this is forever, and for the first time I'm cautiously optimistic. I hope for the sake of everyone who's posted on this thread, that some day this might also be you.

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NellyBarney · 08/10/2018 11:39

The frustrating thing with abusive parents and a loveless childhood is that even if you end up making all the right choices, it doesn't make you feel any better. I worked hard, fulfilled my academic potential (Oxbridge, ivyleague), went from poverty, low social status and neglect to the comforts of an upper middle class lifestyle (DCs in private school, 2 luxury cars, lovely house in lovely area, lovely holiday house), enjoy a fulfilling professional career and are proud of my dh and DCs. I am still fighting the urge to cut my wrists or drive the car over the cliff on a weekly basis. And yes, I am on meds and had counselling, and my insurance pays for the priory. The horrible thing is however much your life changes, you and your feelings and memories stay the same. I just try to give my children the best possible upbringing and hope they'll feel happier one day, though I can see and feel that my anxiety and struggles affect them. So even though I try to do the best for them, I realize I still fuck them up. It'll take generations to get out of this cycle, if ever.

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GaraMedouar · 08/10/2018 06:59

Oh my goodness OP - I feel exactly the same. I'm nearly 50 and still battling childhood thoughts. I still feel anger and know I need to let go to move forward, but it's affected me throughout my life and led to my crap life choices. I often think what would i be like if I'd felt love and been given self confidence as a child. Rather than being made to feel worthless. I've read so many self help books, which has helped a bit. But i'm angry i can't turn back the clock (I know I can't really but I always have the what ifs). I must focus on my children now , and hope they grow up loved, happy, and confident to set out in the world. I'm a single mother too, as I twice chose a partner who were not good for me, but I knew I wasn't worth anything better! I am working on myself and hope that eventually i may meet someone special.

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Squarepeg29 · 08/10/2018 06:56

This is the most helpful thread I’ve ever read. Thank you and respect to every single one of you, especially cutietips and oprah; I can relate to all of this and it’s finally good to know I’m not alone.

I’ve never bothered with counselling, just tried to draw a line under it all and move on. But it’s the learning all the life skills stuff that’s hard - that feeling that “normal” people are way ahead.

A sense of perspective helps too. I’m fortunate enough to be a westerner living in a relatively safe country, life could be a lot worse.

After a shaky start due to a complete lack of parenting skills, I do have good relationships with my now adult children.

My life, finally, is good. But I’ll never catch up with the normal people.

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GoatWithACoat · 08/10/2018 06:23

@cutietips your post about ‘filling in the gaps’ really resonates.

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GoatWithACoat · 08/10/2018 06:16

I hear you OP. People who haven’t suffered just don’t understand and I offen see ‘you can’t keep blaming your childhood’ for, example, low attainment / anxiety / poor coping skills etc etc. What people fail to get is that while we can try to improve, the brain of a child is like an unprogrammed computer. Childhood experiences hardwire your brain and however well you ‘over ride’ these things later in life you can never ever be the same as someone who grew up feeling loved and safe. I HATE the ‘just get counselling’ attitude too. It doesn’t work for everyone.

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AhoyDelBoy · 08/10/2018 05:56

@redannie118 FlowersFlowersFlowersFlowers

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SoleBizzz · 08/10/2018 01:22

I can relate to so.much written here.
Does anybody else dread to think that reincarnation is real but we come back as the same person and relive the abuse ober again?

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OrigamiZoo · 08/10/2018 01:19

Thank you for starting the thread OP, we all realise we are not alone. Flowers

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OrigamiZoo · 08/10/2018 01:15

'We cannot control our past but we can change the way we feel about it.
I went to counselling and was very helpful. '


This, it works, please seek help via GP or a community counselling service. x

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SecretPanel · 08/10/2018 01:10

Thank you for starting this thread OP, I'm so sorry you've suffered and are still suffering but my goodness the relief to know I'm not the only one who feels like this.

My parents are alive and I see them now and then (we are not close at all and have little emotional connection), but still I feel I am grieving the loss of the parents I should of have, that I deserved. That any child deserves.

I hate myself for how bitter I can feel at times at the head start other people got in getting proper unconditional love from the people who are supposed to give it.

While I have many things going for me and have had lots of therapy, the self-hatred, doubt, anxiety and patterns of destructiveness that are the result of my abusive childhood are still there lurking.

At the moment I too am constantly struggling to do anything constructive with my day, even though I have lots to do. Everything is an effort. I'm not even particularly depressed. But when you have to motivate yourself (I am self-employed and work from home), it ca ben really hard to do this when your core thoughts are that you aren't worth bothering about or motivating.

So sad to read others' stories here. Not having had emotionally supportive parents is such a loss, it's no wonder we feel it so deeply. Flowers

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wiltingflower · 08/10/2018 00:43

💐💐 YANBU op

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Ignoramusgiganticus · 07/10/2018 23:36

Good luck babyshark The doctors is a good place to start.

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BabySharkAteMyHamster · 07/10/2018 23:13

I'm fine, it's been an ongoing battle with my MH. I'm generally quite good at managing myself and can feel when im slipping so.will put things in place, i'll increase activity and keep myself busy. Things seem to have taken a massive slump over the last year or so, I seem to have fallen into a pit I cant get out lf this time. I've put on a disgusting amount of weight (( at least 6 stone ))

I know what I need to do, it's just doing it. I think im going to start with a doctors appointment amd write things down as these are words i've never spoke before and don't know where to start. I know once that first hurdle is taken things can only improve. They arent going to go away, I know that.

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youwillbepk · 07/10/2018 19:18

Baby shark ate my hamster
How are you doing now? I know how overwhelming it can all be please let us know how you are !!

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MinaPaws · 07/10/2018 14:40

You are not being unreasonable. It's bloody exhausting. The most exhausting thing is realising that you have to tread the same old water fday in day out just to stop from going under, let alone to actually get anywhere.

Some stuff that helps:
Learn to acknowledge what you do well by giving yourself a small sign of praise. If you are nice to your DC where your own parents would have ignored or critised say 'well-done' under your breath to yourself. If you keep hold of your anger instead of exploding over insignificant stuff, give yourself a proper reward - a cup of tea at very least, or a bunch of daffs or a nice smelling soap.

Every time you do anything that demands more confidence or bravery than you feel, have a little thumbs up to yourself, or pat on the back or victory dance. Sounds really stupid, but it actually works, neurally. there's been lots of work on it. Look up books by the McGonigal Sisters - Superbetter by Jane McGonigal and The Willpower Instinct by her twin sister Kelly. They're not about surviving shitty chlldhoods, but they do help you undo patterns of behaviour that feel impossible to shift, because they take them right back to the tiniest little neural tweaks. (They're both scientists but the books are asy to read.)

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Cutietips · 07/10/2018 14:11

Babyshark please get some help. You shouldn’t have to fight suicidal thoughts you should be suported to get through it. Why can you not tell your partner. There is no shame in depression.

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