Are these rules for my lodger too harsh?

[southatsea]

I have a lodger but he has complained that my rules are too strict. So looking to canvas opinion on them!

No loud music or loud TV after 10pm
No smoking
Has to ask my permission before having friends to stay
Use of the bathroom, kitchen and living room but can't use the bathroom between 0645 and 0700 (when I need it to get ready for work)
Plates cutlery etc to be brought downstairs on the day they are used eg no hoarding in bedrooms.

Do these sound too harsh? His room is well furnished with a sofa, double bed, tv etc and I charge below market rent.

[SchadenfreudePersonified]

Legal team. Ah shit that has made my day.

Get in line Username.

I'm first in the queue to Feel The Wrath Of Sunshades Legal Team*

I'm looking forward to it . . .

[Ippydippyskyblue]

Umm, we have a 23 year old son and despite my nagging, he always stays out until after 10pm because the clubs don’t come to life until then and from my own experience, he’s right. He doesn’t put dishes, etc that day, despite nagging and threats of mice. However, to be fair, he doesn’t smoke in his bedroom and he does ask if friends can stay over in advance.
He’s about to move back in after four years at university and I think he’s making the most of every second before he moves back home. Personally, I’m dreading it, because he and I do clash big time. We’re so alike...
Back to the calming breathing exercises they teach you for giving birth...again.

[clippityclock]

sunshades I'd give you 2 weeks notice to get out of my house if you tried that crap. What an unpleasant person you are.

I've had lodgers and friends staying during the week while in the process of moving. All have asked what time I needed the bathroom to get to work etc and then also said what time they would need to leave and we worked around it. Both letting the other have the best time and avoided going in during 'their' time. Its manners and cohesive living.

[whathappenedtomyusername]

Legal team. Ah shit that has made my day.
😂😂

[mathanxiety]

Even if the rules were drawn up by you after he moved in and you discovered that he smoked in his room, kept cutlery/dishes there, hogged the bathroom every morning, played loud music, and had a steady stream of friends in and out of your house, you are still reasonable.

If you didn't have the rules in place when he moved in you were a bit naive, but introducing them after the fact is still fine. Some people are not civilised, and the saying 'if you want to know someone, live with them' holds true.

[SherbrookeFosterer]

So long as they knew the rules before they moved in, there is no room for complaint.

I once had a tenant who hoarded cutlery and uneaten food under his bed, so I know where you are coming from on that one.

[mathanxiety]

Your rules are all completely reasonable, and I would add that nobody but the lodger gets a key to your house. I.e. none of his friends.

If he doesn't like it he can leave.

[SchadenfreudePersonified]

Lweji

[CutesyUserName]

Perfectly reasonable rules, in my opinion.

[Lweji]

For lodgers that require such rules to be explicit, the rules should not only be written, but written in a reward chart.

[twofingerstoEverything]

Where does it say they are 'written' hiphop?

[Leapfrog44]

All perfectly reasonable, only objectionable that they're written down as though for a simpleton / teenager.

Surely a normal person would respect all of these anyway if you just ask? What standards of lodger are you inviting into your home???

[MonumentVal]

I'd look forward to the legal team's response. If they don't tell you it first, certainly my response back would be to refer to the reply in the case of Arkell v Pressdram...

[Lweji]

The plot thickens.
It's really dense at this point.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Someone who can afford a legal team is very unlikely to be lodging.

[thetaleunfolds]

They all sounds completely reasonable to me. If he can't comply then what kind of human being is he?!

[Bibesia]

You'd be receiving a summons from my legal team for breach of contract in that case

The procedure for suing for breach of contract does not include issuing a Summons. And, given the Schadenfreude didn't suggest terminating the contract other than lawfully, it wouldn't be relevant anyway.

[Imchlibob]

@Sunshades clearly doesn't actually understand the meaning of the word "Lodger".

You have a different status as a lodger compared to a house sharer. You are not equals.

[MaisyPops]

sunshades
You seem to be doing a good job of being provocative on a number of threads at the moment.

[CrabbityRabbit]

Legal team!!! 😂😂😂 #dead

Thanks for the laugh sunshades!

You would have zero recourse if you got chucked out of your lodging for the dickish behaviour you proposed.

[SchadenfreudePersonified]

Sunshades

[GeekyBlinders]

Your legal team. Sure, right.

[SunShades]

@SchadenfreudePersonified

You'd be receiving a summons from my legal team for breach of contract in that case.

[Hidingtonothing]

Well aren't you a delight Sunshades?!! Why do some people seem to take such enormous pleasure in inconveniencing others and what on earth has happened to them to make them so......well, spiteful? I know someone like this, seems to actively look for ways to get in other people's way or make their life just that little bit harder. I pity him tbh, his life must be pretty empty to spend so much time trying to 'get one over' on people

[SchadenfreudePersonified]

If I were the lodger, I think I'd make a deliberate point of using the bathroom at the times the OP says it's closed. Just to see her reaction as someone so precious and selfish to 'close' a bathroom to other people would get quite animated I think.

And I'm sure you would get to enjoy life on the streets Sunshades - because that's where you'd end up if you were my lodger and you tried that shite with me - or with most sentient adults.