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To ask what makes you working class? (Lighthearted)

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MissAlabamaWhitman · 29/07/2017 12:00

So, the whole 'what makes you middle class' has been done to death hasn't it?

We're all pretty au fair with avocados, elephants sodding breath, the ubiquity of joules et cetera.
And lovely as it is to have such knowledge of the middle classes, none of it applies to me.

I'm working class and I'll explIn to you that which denotes this in just a minute.

Incidentally I heard that there's a few of us about so perhaps we can make our own list of our very own class signifiers.

Who's in?

I shall go first.....

Love of charity shops, this week I picked up a leather Hobbs bag for 3.99 and a couple of Abercrombie & Fitch tops for DD1 1.49 each!

Love of Iceland/Heron foods/Home bargains/B&M. Yes I know I could get everything I need in Sainsbury's but I actually prefer scrabbling around for bargains and topping up at Lidl.

Chardonnay. I love it, tastes fab. I can't be arsed to pretend that I prefer a Beaujolais or Cab Sav. I don't.

One bathroom/toilet in a five bed house.

Regional accent which I take pleasure in.

Children who play football and wear replica kits whilst doing so

Girls who wear pinkI draw the line at bloody Jojo bows though

Getting drunk at barbecues and performing impromptu Karaoke.

Allowing my children to 'play out' in the cul de sac from age seven.

Cleaning my own house.

Holidays at Center Parcs rather than overseas.

Owning a Huskita

Letting my children watch TV and eat crisps in full view of other parents.

Having a 'pop man'

Listening to LBC rather than R4

Not really giving a fuck about trans, one way or the other.

I'm sure there's lots more besides which I'll try to remember.
How about you?
What makes you sit back at the end of a hard day and think 'yep I'm a fully paid up member of the old working classes?'

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MissAlabamaWhitman · 02/08/2017 08:42

You're right Babe

I could have millions in the bank and I'd still love rummaging in charity shops, shop at Lidl/Heron/Iceland.
I still wouldn't listen to Radio 4 or buy a new build house.

My tastes will always be those of a WC person.

Money would never make me middle class, to be fair though, nothing would. Smile

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GetAHaircutCarl · 02/08/2017 08:53

I'm now pretty wealthy.
It makes no difference to how I see my class : working class.

Nor does my lifestyle: Oxbridge educated, professional role, owner of property, DC attended public school.

People get irked when I say I'm working class. They think it's fake. But it's not. That is my background, my culture, my outlook.

I find the traditional middle classes a different species Grin.

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TestTubeTeen · 02/08/2017 08:55

My DH is definitely working class, but comes without key WC benefits.

I would love him to do DIY, decorating, have a 'can do ' attitude to physical tasks and practical problems.

All his extended family are great for this.

Front room needs decorating? All the siblings and in laws come round, pitch in, have a laugh, and a BBQ at the end of the day. They see it as a great weekend.

My MC family never do this. No skills / doesn't count as 'quality time' / too many planned and structured activities / prefer to pay. 'My time is worth xyz, so I outsource'.

DH is hopeless at DIY, hates it, but also can't bear the outlay of paying for it.

I am trapped in a cross-class black hole!

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FaffyDuMaurier · 02/08/2017 09:07

I agree with formerbabe, money has very little to do with determining what class you are. When I was at uni, very few people wanted to be seen as middle class. I'm from a working class background and just naively presumed everyone who seemed like me had a broadly similar background but perhaps with more books at home and parents who were teachers.

I look back now and think of their names, the schools they went to, their parents occupations and realise that beneath the piercings, dreads, liberal use of London slang and crusty clothes they were all really middle class. Crucially, they all had connections, money and support which meant pretty much all of them could do things like travel for a bit, do an unpaid internship somewhere, travel somewhere else for a bit, travel a bit more, spend six months making festival jewellery and selling it on etsy, do a masters then get a job in publishing/the arts/a prestigious company through a friend of a friend. Trustafarians, the lot of them! Grin

I'm working class really, because I don't have the security of knowing that there is always a pot of money if I want to pursue a niche arty career or go travelling, and my dad couldn't just 'get me a job' by saying "Faffy doesn't really know what she wants to do after spending a few years backpacking round India but she's a great girl, any chance anyone in your company needs a PA?" That security, to me, is middle class.

Having said that, my interests, and tastes, are much more middle class than working: literature, theatre, secondhand kids clothes, Cornwall over the Costa del Sol, don't like visible brand names, all home-cooked food, listen to R4. ..
I do think that interests and values are a large factor in determining your class. But then I look working class because I'm slightly overweight and never manage to look 'expensive.' Class in the UK is a minefield!

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Cellardoor23 · 02/08/2017 10:07

Ok I understand that, but Faffy you've just said that you don't have the security of knowing there's a 'pot of money' so money must play some part too.

I'm not just talking jobs, but inherentences and trust funds.

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diamond49 · 02/08/2017 10:15

I think that there are a lot of similarities between upper and lower classes eg loving a bargain and not really caring what other people think. I think it is the mc and the mc wannabe s who worry about this sort of thing.

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TinklyLittleLaugh · 02/08/2017 10:32

Education is an interesting one. On the whole, bright working class kids do STEM rather than fine art. One of my kids is doing an art degree and both our extended families are rather traumatised. The other one is planning to do classics and that has completely blown their minds.

DH and I were working class kids shoved down the applied science route and did not love our uni courses, although we have done well because of them.

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StoatofDisarray · 02/08/2017 10:43

Not being afraid of contact with other people's shit, vomit, or other bodily fluids (I was a cleaner for 4 years);
Having a job not a career;
My accent (working class southerner/estuary English).

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GetAHaircutCarl · 02/08/2017 10:43

tinkly yes indeed.

DH and I both studied law which is a very working class choice.

Most of my DC's mates are going off to study history/English/economics, even the ones who will probably end up as lawyers.

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nina2b · 02/08/2017 10:44

Today 06:40 TipTopTipTopClop

- we couldn't care less about academic achievement

Really?

I don't think I've ever read this on MN before!

Surely the poster was being disingenuous? I have never heard a parent utter those words. If it is sincere, it is a poor reflection on the person holding such a bizarre view.

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TinklyLittleLaugh · 02/08/2017 10:55

GetAHaircutCarl. Always handy to have a lawyer in the family Wink

But yes, Classics studying daughter may well do law.

Interestingly, 34 years ago my careers teacher told me straight out that law was not for the poor working class likes of me. The much thicker middle class boys in my class were encouraged all the way though. Much later I did a module of law as part of a business masters and it felt like a fantastic fit for me, so I have always held a massive bitter grudge had a few regrets.

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nina2b · 02/08/2017 10:57

Today 10:43 GetAHaircutCarl

tinkly yes indeed.

DH and I both studied law which is a very working class choice.

Most of my DC's mates are going off to study history/English/economics, even the ones who will probably end up as lawyers.

Economics?! You read economics because you want to become an economist!
Someone I know is an economist at the Treasury and that was always the plan. Edinburgh University; a First and now on course for a very decent career.

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NipInTheAir · 02/08/2017 11:03

What was the old saying MissAlabama - you can take the boy out of the east end/estate but you can't take the east end out of the boy.

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GetAHaircutCarl · 02/08/2017 12:09

nina nah, rich kids read what they fancy at university.
Very few have firm plans about what's coming next.

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nina2b · 02/08/2017 12:13

*Today 12:09 GetAHaircutCarl

nina nah, rich kids read what they fancy at university.
Very few have firm plans about what's coming next.

That's a bit of an old fashioned idea. Stereotyping much?!

If you are a genuine high-flyer with an excellent brain, you will always have a grand plan.

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GetAHaircutCarl · 02/08/2017 12:16

Based on the current experience of having two DC leave a hugely selective public school this Summer.

The pupils are rich, extremely clever and worldly. Hardly any of them have a Grand Plan.

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TinklyLittleLaugh · 02/08/2017 12:19

I think the degree at uni thing depends on just how wealthy you are. Sharp elbowed middle classes always have a plan. Independently wealthy posho types, not so much. But then the really wealthy tend to start a business with family money rather than work for someone else, so degree is irrelevant.

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GetAHaircutCarl · 02/08/2017 12:57

Looking at DC and their mates, I suspect most will end up with excellent, well paid careers.

But right now they're 17/18. They'll work it out as they go along.

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DragonsandDungeons · 02/08/2017 13:06

I sort of straddle the awkward line between middle and working class. My dads posh but my mum is working class and we had much more to do with her family, so I'm kind of a hybrid.

Anyway mine are

  • had my first baby at 21


  • I don't sanitise my kids hands every two seconds


  • cheap beer is good beer


  • dinner and tea here


  • West Midlands accent


  • I'm very straight speaking.


I don't have a WC "look" though, I'm very pale. And I shop in M&S because I buy stuff like toilet paper and branded goods from cheap shops!

I'm a weird one.
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DragonsandDungeons · 02/08/2017 13:07

Law is WC?!

Me and DP both did law, that settles it Grin

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GetAHaircutCarl · 02/08/2017 13:23

I think being a lawyer is seen as a very solid profession by many WC people.

And most WC students want to leave university with something solid in their pocket.

That's not a concern for my DC and their upper MC mates from what I can see. Though some of them will end up lawyers I would bet.

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nina2b · 02/08/2017 14:09

Today 12:16 GetAHaircutCarl

Based on the current experience of having two DC leave a hugely selective public school this Summer.

The pupils are rich, extremely clever and worldly. Hardly any of them have a Grand Plan.

Oh my goodness, that is a cringeworthy post! You really don't have to prove anything to anyone.That you should seek to do so, indicates your class...

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nina2b · 02/08/2017 14:11

"Hardly any of them HAS a Grand Plan."

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nina2b · 02/08/2017 14:17

I am also laughing at the idea of law being a very popular choice for the working class!

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squoosh · 02/08/2017 14:24

I could have millions in the bank and I'd still love rummaging in charity shops, shop at Lidl/Heron/Iceland. I still wouldn't listen to Radio 4 or buy a new build house.

I'm sure on an alternate thread rummaging in charity shops and a dislike of new build houses would be used as markers of being middle class.

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