To be absolutely disgusted with the conspiracies

[ClarkWGriswold]

That Theresa May and the Tory's have somehow orchestrated the Manchester bombings for political gains. I keep seeing statuses and posts on social media pertaining to this and it's making me sick.

At a time of immense tragedy such as this I couldn't give two shits about political point scoring. Children have died. People have lost parents, siblings, aunts and uncles. Children hospitalised will never be the same again.

AIBU to want certain people to keep their nasty and divisive politics out of this tragedy?

[formerlyknownasuser1469397655]

If you are incapable of using a search engine to read and deceipher information than that's your lookout. I suspect you don't want to because you won't like what you'll find.
Hardly personal abuse. Are you always this dramatic??

Why would I not like what I find when I have already searched and I know the answer beforehand. Now I really would be stupid to pose a question I didn't know the answer to. That could backfire, erm, dramatically. It is just telling that after all your bluff and bravado you don't want to answer a simple question.

I wonder why that is?

Why do you always use two question marks?

[MissShittyBennet]

Until today I'd only heard about Obama orchestrating these so called false flags so please don't blame the left wing. It's ukip crazy types

It's right wingers when the event concerned would be more convenient and/or easier to accept for them if it were a false flag. Not so much otherwise, and the left aren't immune either. In this instance, the stated narrative of a terrorist attack from an ISIS supporter is not inconvenient for UKIP types, so they have more incentive to accept it than to challenge it. When it was right wing terrorism last year, the opposite was true. You can flip that on it's head for people who are at the more loony left end of the spectrum.

Plus there are a few people who just think everything's the illuminati or whatever, regardless of any political views they have.

[StickThatInYourPipe]

Since joining mumsnet, it has become clear that everyone has a much more interesting Facebook feed than me.

[PigletWasPoohsFriend]

Until today I'd only heard about Obama orchestrating these so called false flags so please don't blame the left wing. It's ukip crazy types

It's both wings left and right.

[scaryteacher]

As was pointed out by a PP, it is JTAC who make the call on the threat level being raised, not the PM.

I would further point out that since Bataclan and the Brussels bombings, armed troops and police are a familiar sight in Brussels; at the airport, at Bruparck, and it's an extra level of reassurance.

There have been armed police at St Pancras for a while, and I regularly see them at Dunkirk as well when I come back to the UK by ferry, as well as having my car searched by armed troops at Dunkirk.

If there are extra layers of security, then why not use them? It's for our protection as opposed to being for political point scoring.

[Fliptophead]

Until today I'd only heard about Obama orchestrating these so called false flags so please don't blame the left wing. It's ukip crazy types

[Whistleblower0]

If you are incapable of using a search engine to read and deceipher information than that's your lookout. I suspect you don't want to because you won't like what you'll find.
Hardly personal abuse. Are you always this dramatic??

[formerlyknownasuser1469397655]

Do you not believe in auestioning any authority Oligarchy are you not interested in uncovering the truth??
Do you think the people of Liverpool should have kept quiet about Hillsbouroigh, or the .saville inquiry should never have happened?

Of course authority should be questioned, when there is Evidence of a cover-up or inappropriate behavior.

So what evidence have you got NOW that the Manchester attack is being used for political gain?

[formerlyknownasuser1469397655]

Or are you too stupid to google Formerly

No, but I asked you a polite question that you refuse to answer. So why the personal abuse?

[Firenight]

It's turned me right off a FB group I'm in. I am incredulous at the fuckwits sharing this stuff.

[Whistleblower0]

Or are you too stupid to google Formerly

[Whistleblower0]

Do you not believe in auestioning any authority Oligarchy are you not interested in uncovering the truth??
Do you think the people of Liverpool should have kept quiet about Hillsbouroigh, or the .saville inquiry should never have happened?y

[formerlyknownasuser1469397655]

FormerI take it you know how to use a search engine

A politicians answer.

Is the question too difficult, or are you just afraid of the answer.

[MissShittyBennet]

There's definitely a place for healthy scepticism, whatever the event.

There's a place for healthy scepticism. That's scepticism based on something, not shit people have just invented. It's possible there might be reason to suspect this is a false flag incident when we have more information: perhaps not likely, but possible. But ordinary people with no access to information other than google aren't in a position to be able to do that, at the moment. We just don't know enough. So by definition, no scepticism at this stage can be healthy because it can't have any basis.

Frankly I think a more plausible explanation than healthy scepticism is people often prefer explanations that are convenient for their worldview. So some right wingers last year didn't like the idea that Jo Cox had been killed by a person who espoused views not a great deal more extreme than some of the more anti-immigrant tabloids. Some left wingers would prefer the idea that the more familiar evil of the Tories rather than brown skinned anti-Westerners are responsible for Manchester. Some Muslims can't accept that 9/11 was perpetrated by people who thought they were doing it in the name of Islam (I know there are lots of reasons for 9/11 disbelief, this is just one). Gun obsessives think Sandy Hook was fake because the alternative is that it might not be a good idea to allow people such free access to firearms.

So quite often, refusal to accept the narrative is the opposite of healthy scepticism. More about choosing the explanation that challenges your worldview least.

[Louisianna16]

Questioning is fine, and necessary for society to function. It helps if the questioners understand what they are talking about, as many intelligent commentators do, on both sides. These people,are just stupid, nasty and partisan. Tina Buckley is about their level.

[Louisianna16]

Well said Olliegarchy.

Some of these conspiracy should really see themselves as others see them rather than as a PP said somehow cleverer + special in their nasty little corner of the internet . Everyone else thinks they are both stupid, dull and unhinged.

[user1487175389]

Is it all questioning of authority you believe to be inappropriate, or just when lives have been lost? If anything we should be asking more questions at a time like this. If it had been my dd I'd want answers.

[olliegarchy99]

Is this thread still going? - it should be taken down as inappropriate and full of lies. what kind of people believe this hate-filled rubbish?

[alltouchedout]

the fucking bastard tories making political capital out of an atrocity
Oh come on, all parties have done it before and will do it again.

[Bluebeedee]

I didn't know about these theories til I read this thread

[user1487175389]

It's scary that there's so much thought policing going on on this thread. This is apparently still a democracy. Why on earth shouldn't we be rightly wary of the fucking bastard tories making political capital out of an atrocity? It's not like they've ever missed an opportunity before. Who decided that were weren't allowed to hold them to account, and why?

[mothertruck3r]

It's normally left wingers who post conspiracy theories and it makes a change from them blaming Jews Zionists.

[alltouchedout]

Wrt the bombing being orchestrated by the government/ some all powerful shadowy behind the scenes group have only seen posts like this one, complaining about such conspiracy theories. I haven't seen any posts setting out said theories. I'm sure they exist, because people are dicks, but you're giving them publicity that they would not otherwise have.

I've seen a few discussions about whether any party/ group will or should make political capital out of these awful events. That's different, imo. Will they? Yes, certainly. Should they? I'm on the fence about that, tbh.

[Dianneabbottsmathsteacher]

Disgusting to be honest. Neither may or Corbyn is making political capital out of the murder of children.

[Whistleblower0]

FormerI take it you know how to use a search engine.