Learner driver driving unsupervised

[mumto2two]

Not so much an AIBU, as the title speaks for itself. But more the attitude of this particular girl in DD's class. Since early last year she has made my daughter's life miserable at school, tried to jeopardise her GCSE's by bullying her with nasty comments as they were waiting outside exam halls etc. Just a nasty very mixed up girl. Had to complain to school theee times, the last of which involved her physically pushing my daughter into a window. But it's an independant school..and she's still there...
Anyway, this girl has just been bought a brand new car, 18k worth, and is very much spoilt and likes to brag at school about it. She refuses to have the insurance tracker, so her insurance is 4k, but she doesn't care, and laughs about it openly in school. More fool her mother we say. Anyway, what I think is worse, is the fact that this girl has been blatantly driving around in her new car, unsupervised and without plates. We see her all the time, and other mums have commented too.
Having picked DD up late last night from a school event, this girl was again driving on her own. She has failed her theory twice and thinks it's funny. AIBU to think aside from her obvious don't care attitude, she is a danger on our roads..and what would you do?

[NoFanJoe]

I think report to the police too. Also, I think it's a good idea to avoid letting your DD know you've done it - she might feel conflicted about whether to say anything either now or at some later point.

[Rednailsandnaeknickers]

Olivia the OP stated in her post at 11:52 that she has reported on the non emergency line.

[Olivialoves]

So are you going to report her or not OP?

[mumto2two]

I do agree with you kingscross, whatever insurance they choose is their business, it has been more this girls attitude that has drawn attention to it, a derisory scoff towards anything or anyone that might restrain what she can and can't do.
As for her mum and the L plates, I also originally assumed she must be popping them on once her daughter was behind the wheel, but can definitely say this is not the case, I have seen her driving on numerous occasions without the plates, and DD says some of her friends parents have been noticing it too. Bizarre really, why any responsible parent would not insist, I very much doubt she would not be aware of this.

[kingscrossnoodle]

I not see how the families decision not to have an insurance box fitted is relevant or anyone else's business. I have never and don't intend for my teens to have a box fitted. The insurance they get may cost more than a box fitted cheaper policy but there is more to insurance then simply going for the cheapest. I shop around and go for the one that suits my needs the best, the one that offers the best in terms of what happens after an accident etc.

The other part, I would say the girl is a gobby cow, has passed her yeast and is taking advanced lessons. However I echo everyone else, the police should have been informed already, just in case

[SallyCanWait]

I'm not sure how the other information in your op is even relevant. It has nothing to do with the fact she is driving illegally. Report her now fgs.

[SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius]

I assume that the OP meant the girl's mum doesn't have the L-plates on when she is going to school to pick her up, because she doesn't need them. But there is no excuse not to put them on when she picks her up - they are magnetic and take seconds to put on.

I am glad you have reported her, OP, and I hope they throw the book at her and her mum - because her mum is every bit as responsible as her, for letting her drive without the L-plates. In fact, bo parents should be held legally responsible for letting her drive unsupervised. They cannot be unaware that she is doing this.

[mumto2two]

Yes definitely! I think that fact alone is a Fixed penalty with points, and a provisional license can only take 6 before being revoked.
Whereas driving unaccompanied could mean a potentially more serious outcome, including court summons etc..so yes, very much wrong on both counts.

[Iamastonished]

"I don't think she drives the car unaccompanied to or from school, from what DD and her friends say, the mum picks her up in the car that was bought for her, and the girl drives it home. Which could be why the L plates aren't displayed"

Don't you have to display them if you are a learner driver?

[mumto2two]

I don't think she drives the car unaccompanied to or from school, from what DD and her friends say, the mum picks her up in the car that was bought for her, and the girl drives it home. Which could be why the L plates aren't displayed...Just can't be bothered to put them up and down perhaps? Not a valid excuse of course, but we see them most days driving back from school and never an L plate in sight.
Last night was the first time I myself saw her actually driving unaccompanied, we have often spotted the car out & about, always without the plates, but as the rear windows are heavily tinted, can't always see who is in the car.
Anyway, those uncertainties aside, at least it is on the radar now, if she does happen to do it again!
Re the insurance/black box question, from what I can gather, a lot of DD's friends, provisional licence holders included, have a box that monitors their driving and reviews the policy cost every few months. If they drive well, the premiums go down, but if they don't, they go up. It also reports any dangerous driving, and the policy can be revoked beyond a certain threshold. This girl was bragging in school about how there was no way she was having it put in, and her mother could swing through trees before she'd consider having it. She'd rather her mum pay the premium rather than 'have to worry about driving at 20mph like a retarded snail'...interesting mentality as you can see!
Anyway, thanks again for all your comments x

[littlemissM92]

Next time you see her you need to take a picture/video and pass it on

[70isaLimitNotaTarget]

If she was driving back from school, they might have CCTV?

And she might have passed but be having Motorway Driving Lessons (something I wish was compulsary too)

[mumto2two]

Fairly rural yes..but we do have plenty of traffic!
Anyway..thanks for everyone's input. It was definitely an all round unanimous no brainier, and we have reported it on the non emergency reporting line. With regards to her driving unaccompanied, they would need to see that for themselves, but can of course keep an eye out for the car. Beyond that, until she is actually caught in the act, that's as much as can be done at present.
Having spent 5 years reporting our local yob for speeding and anti social behaviour, it was also known that he had an illegal bike and was disqualified and uninsured, but it still took 5 years to get him off our roads. And he'll be back on them soon again no doubt.
It's a digression, but a reminder that there are many unfit road users out there, and bringing them to account can be more difficult than we think!

[WicksEnd]

Surely you'd only have black box insurance if you've passed your test? So I'm not sure why that's come into it. Why would you need it as a learner?
But god yes, inform the police, she's most definitely not insured whatever policy they think they have as she's not passed her test anyway.

[littlemissM92]

Her mother or school won't give a shit! What are you waiting for ?! Get on with it before she kills someone

[doublesnap]

I'm starting to wonder if the OP lives somewhere without many cars in a very rural location.

[MycatsaPirate]

Her insurance won't be valid. Phone the police and report her.

If she has an accident then she won't be covered and the other party will end up footing the costs. Never mind that she could actually kill someone.

[doublesnap]

The backstory is actually relevant - it shows the girls manner and attitude.

It's not at all relevant. The illegal driver could be the most considerate, lovely person you could hope to meet but has made a stupid decision. It doesn't change the fact that you have to report them.

[goingtotown]

You posted at 7.54 are you seriously concerned, I don't think so.

[lalalalyra]

The backstory is actually relevant - it shows the girls manner and attitude.

I hope you do report her. Don't go digging about asking questions as it could make it obvious who then reports and teenage girls can be horrible and your DD would get the flack.

There are enough shit and idiot drivers on the road already without an over confident unlicensed one driving around with/near other kids.

[AwaywiththePixies27]

A friends DH got knocked down and spent the next fortnight in intensive care. He's scarred for life now because of what happened (pedestrian) and that was with an insured driver who was speeding.

I think the OP knows it's a no brainer to contact the police but I think yhr reason they're asking is they could be concerned about repercussions to her DD if the girl thinks / assumes its OP that contacted them (the bit about her pushing her DD through the window almost she's obviously not the reasonable type).

People drive around uninsured all the time around this area. At my DCs last school there was a mum and dad who's drop their DCs off every morning in his car without fail. He'd been banned from driving. No one dared say anything in case he cottoned on it was them.
I appreciate people will say the police have better things to do with their time, but half an hour on the end of some of the roads near me in the morning they'd have a field day with the amount of uninsured drivers who shouldn't be behind a wheel.

You only need to look at what happened on Westminster Bridge this week to see how much harm can be done with the wrong person behind the wheel of a car.

[Trainspotting1984]

And don't speak to the driving instructor, DVLa or anyone else. Why would they tell you anything?

[Trainspotting1984]

If I were you I'd just be happy someone I hated is going to be in trouble. I don't know if you're being pretend modest or aren't as vengeful as me 😂

[OnionKnight]

Report her FFS, stop dithering!

[FurryLittleTwerp]

Yes 101, not 111 as I put - hopefully the NHS won't need to be involved at all...