To wonder why mn aren't bothered by the school budget cuts.

[minifingerz]

Posted on chat asking if parents are concerned about the coming cuts to school budgets, and how much their child's school is losing (or whether it will be one of the few to gain).

My dc's school is losing about 1K per child. Class sizes increasing significantly, school dinners will increase in cost, support staff being sacked right, left and centre. Some schools will have to get rid of almost all their TA's.

The cuts are really radical and coming at a time of big change in regard to GCSE's. I'm really concerned about it and I wonder why other people are not.

BTW I agree that schools outside of big cities have been historically underfunded. Just don't agree with robbing Peter to pay Paul. Surely the answer is to increase the overall budget for schools so that all schools have what they need to provide a good education for children?

[GreenGinger2]

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/14/england-school-funding-formula-justine-greening-education-secretary

No I think a funding shake up is hugely needed. I think funding needs to be reorganised. This is a separate issue to schools losing money in real terms on top. You can't simply throw extra money at all just because some get it. It does need to go where the need is higher. A reduced budget on top of that is a separate issue. It isn't robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[minifingerz]

GreenGinger, is your child's school losing money under the new funding formula?

[DoctorDonnaNoble]

It isn't going to the schools that need it! They're being cut as well. It is robbing Peter and Paul. The money IS there to probably fund schools. The political will is not.

[minifingerz]

"I think funding needs to be reorganised."

You think that London and City schools (which are losing the most) have money they don't need?

[Phantommagic]

There is insufficient money to keep class size reasonable. Insufficient money for basic resources let alone to resource all the new gcse and A level courses or SEND requirements. If this isn't problematic I don't know what is. Long term it is bad for the economy and health service and society as a whole.

[minifingerz]

Or do you think schools are wasting money?

Is your child's school losing money?

[Tomorrowillbeachicken]

It is not being reorganised it is being cut, calling it reorganising is a smoke screen.

[noblegiraffe]

A reduced budget on top of that is a separate issue.

you're just wanting on about the national funding formula when everyone else is concerned about budget cuts, which may or may not include cuts included as part of the national funding formula?

Why? Why are you singling out one issue from a massive steaming heap?

[noblegiraffe]

It's weird, is Ginger Justine Greening or something? Only focusing on the funding formula to try to divert attention from real term budget cuts is what she does too.

[Sixisthemagicnumber]

I live in one of the worst funded areas in the country. Most of the schools will lose a small amount according to the calculator (£10k- £15k sort of figures).
When I looked into this it seems that they won't be receiving direct cuts as such but the figures on the calculator are worked out based on what the schools would have been getting taking inflation into account and the schools where I live won't be getting an inflation increase so will effectively be worse off. I suspect this is the case with a lot of schools. Of course it still means they will be able to afford less.
I could understand genuine fairer distribution of funds but I can't understand this new formula which is just a smokescreen for cuts.

[Believeitornot]

Because they're not hitting in a visible way just yet.

But I'm so angry about them.

The Tories have wasted the last seven years pissing about with academies. If anyone knew, they'd see that the government doesn't really have a proper grip.

Instead Theresa May is throwing out distractions about grammar schools.

The NHS, education and social care are crumbling due to Tory cuts. Austerity was a cover for reducing public services.

[DoctorDonnaNoble]

We're being hammered. We already lost money when sixth form changed from per subject to per student. We're losing out on funding formula. Then factor in all the unfunded changes. It's not good.
People who think it's rosy in my sector would not be impressed if they looked round my school.

[GreenGinger2]

Surely there is a funding fall in real terms. There is also a funding reorganisation.

Those losing in the reorganisation are feeling more of a pinch because they will lose in real terms on top.

I can see the point in arguing for the real term funding reduction to be eased but sorry as regards the reorganisation no not at all. They are separate and you're putting them together.

Mini London has less pupils on fsm now than they had so yes they do have less need than before.

[FairFundingForAllSchools]

Was about to start a similar thread myself!

Please sign this petition:

www.change.org/p/rt-hon-justine-greening-mp-fair-funding-for-all-schools

[Tomorrowillbeachicken]

Also there is a list of the mps who proposed this on the net. Give yours a verbal slap if they started this.

[DoctorDonnaNoble]

But the reorganisation is taking from those that have less! It's not just London and the SE losing there.

[Tomorrowillbeachicken]

michelledonelan.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2015-10-20-Donelan_PrimeMinister_Letter_School_Funding.pdf

[noblegiraffe]

won't be getting an inflation increase

Plus increased pupil numbers, teacher pay increases (which need to be funded by the school even if directed by the DfE), increased pension contributions, increased running costs due to rising prices and curriculum reform and so on.

[minifingerz]

GreenGinger2 are your children at a state school?

[PinkCrystal]

I am worried but don't see what we can do with tories in power. What we really need is to get them out!! They are destroying public services ares always.

Corbyn isn't perfect but he is radical and genuinely cares. The nhs was radical in the beginning. However, back then people actually cared are about others. After the war they wanted a new way forward and not the divisions of the past. However these days it is more dog eat dog competition.

[PlayOnWurtz]

I'm bothered. My dc are at grammar schools which are already a grossly underfunded sector of education.

[DoctorDonnaNoble]

Thanks Wurtz! For some reason, some people on here think we get more!

[GreenGinger2]

Yes they are at state,very much so.

[PlayOnWurtz]

I don't know why they think that. It's the absolute opposite they get the lowest amount of funding in the state sector.

[GreenGinger2]

Because they have less children with Sen and kids on fsm.