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AIBU?

To resort to "magic" to help dd sleep?

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SooWrites · 17/01/2017 21:05

She's been having "nightmares" (I don't believe she is having nightmares, I think this is just an excuse to stay awake and pester me) since before Christmas. I've done all the usual checking she is not worried about anything, asking what the nightmares are about, looking into what she is reading/watching, talking to the school etc.

We've changed routines. Earlier to bed, hot milk and story, wind down time with no tech. I've even tried walking her once a day. It's getting worse. It was 3:30am by the time she slept last night.

We have docs app next week, in the meantime I am desperate.

We have a "cast a magic spell" we found in a spellbook at nana's house. The spell will "summon an angel" to help her sleep and chase away any nightmares. The angel is her great, great, grandma. She's sprayed "nana's hanky" with some of nana's "lucky heather" perfume and put it under her pillow asking nana to come to her while she sleeps. Nana will smell the perfume and know she is needed and come and watch her while she sleeps.

She's ten. Monster spray stopped working years ago. This is just a more grown up version of monster spray, is it not?

Did I mention I was desperate. I need her to sleep tonight.

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lifeisaconundrumattimes · 17/01/2017 23:28

I think it would be wise to chase up the referral to CAMHS. It sounds exhausting and I. Suspect your family may be right about her possibly being on the spectrum. Sleeping problems are quite common I believe.

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RhodaBorrocks · 17/01/2017 23:35

OP I really sympathise. My DS has ASD and used to suffer terrible anxiety at night. He wouldn't allow himself to sleep as he has very sensitive hearing and would hear every tiny noise outside, from the neighbours etc and would get more and more wound up.

He already had melatonin, but anxiety overrides that if they're too wound up. In desperation I bought him a cd player and the classic fm for babies cd. He would put it on at a lowish volume to drown out the noises and I'd sneak in and turn it down more when he was asleep. White noise didn't help.

Luckily it was just a phase and he now settles himself very well. But without melatonin he is also awake until the small hours.

School doesn't have to refer. When you see the GP tell them all your concerns. I did this as school just said DS was naughty and immature. GP referred us to a paediatrician for a full developmental check.

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AuditAngel · 17/01/2017 23:43

Now you are making me wonder if DS has issues. He struggles to let go of his thoughts to go to sleep, however nightmares these days are fortunately rare.

He barely slept ax a baby so I feel that I gave already paid my penance

Good luck.

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SooWrites · 17/01/2017 23:49

It could be anxiety. I don't think the nightmares are real but it could be her way of explaining a feeling she doesn't understand.

She has told me that her nightmares are about people she knows dying of cancer and being at their funeral (we have had a few relatives suffer cancer but she hasn't been to any of their funerals) and me dying of drinking wine.

I do not drink wine often but my bloody mother glitters shit to sell on FB. On the rare ocassions I do drink (once or twice a year, usually) I drink here with my family. Of course, we have to keep the bottles to be covered in glitter at a later date. This has resulted in me having a shelf full of empty wine bottles ex-H 'worrying' about my drinking. He could have been quizzing dd on my drinking habits.

Perhaps she is just anxious about my drinking and people she loves dying and 'nightmare' is her way of puttting this into words she understands.

I will mention the concers to GP and ask for referral.

Just in case anyone is now worried about my 'drinking' I last had a drink on NYE. I will be next having a drink on the 28th Jan. After that there'll be no more drinking until Feb half term when we have our usual Feb Half term girls night in around here and I accumulate more bottles which will then be coated in modge podge and glitter and given back to me with paper flowers sticking out of them

I do not have drink problem. I have a mother problem Grin

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llangennith · 17/01/2017 23:55

My 9 yo DGS stays with me several nights a week. Sometimes after tucking him in he asks if I'll 'do counting' which mean I touch his arm or hand and quietly count to 100 in a very boring voice. Soothes him.
Anything which helps him to relax and sleep is fine by me.

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llangennith · 17/01/2017 23:56

And I drink a lot of wineGrin

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SooWrites · 18/01/2017 00:09

Oh I love wine. I drink wine at every given opportunity. Sadly being a shift/weekend working LP, those opportunities are woefully lacking.

She is still quiet. I am going to risk going to bed. I left her in my bed with her magic hankie, hopefully I can sneak in without waking her. Her bed is more frightening than mine, allegedly.

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Thethingswedoforlove · 18/01/2017 09:03

Hope it worked ok Op

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Mistykit · 18/01/2017 09:48

I had v bad night terrors up until I was about 8/9. My folks didn't believe me. I was convinced my room was haunted (Google old hag night terrors/sleep paralysis). I used to sleep in the landing a lot. Maybe she is just having bad night terrors? Have you asked her what they are about? I started to leave the radio on a talk show overnight every night and still do.. that helped me a bit. The night terrors went until I was about 19 when they stared back up again and I still get them every few months :(

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Mistykit · 18/01/2017 09:49

Oops... sorry. I missed your post saying that you've asked her what they are about.

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SooWrites · 18/01/2017 10:49

It worked in so far as she stayed in bed. She was asleep when I went up and only woke briefly.

She still attempted to refuse school this morning. This is a new issue that's only been going on since the start of this week. I have talked again with the school who insist she is happy there (she also says no bullying is going, she wants a day off).

Older DD was off sick last week so I think younger dd just believes she is 'owed' a day.

Older dd and I feel a lot better after a night of uninterrupted sleep and this thread has given me lots of new ideas to try if it starts up again. Fingers crossed her magic hankie works again tonight.

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bookwormnerd · 18/01/2017 11:06

Poor you and your poor dd. Have you suggested she keep a diary. Each night she can right down any worries, could even be a book you share so you can understand worries and talk about it. I have heard of people doing books that children can write letters to parents. That way she is externalising the worries rather than keeping all inside. If you think she has sen have you asked to talk to sen coordinator at school about issues rather than teacher

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