your body is going into starvation mode rubbish at slimming clubs. .am I the only one who thinks this is utter nonsense!

[deffonamechange]

I have joined a slimming club. Stuck to it . I do loads of exercise anyway. Been doing it 4weeks..have lost 2lbs and tonight put 0.5lbs on!!
Leader said I am not losing because I am not eating enough!
Drives me insane this theory!
If I eat more I will be eating the same as I ate before joining!
How does anorexia work?
Why do laws of physics say less calories in and more exercise lose weight?

So frustrated! !! Argh!!!

[DonaldStott]

It's akin to cosmetic companies who add magical, Harry Potter-ish ingredients

Like the yogurt full of Bifidus digestivum

Starvation mode is bullshit. And sorry, but whichever pp said belsen survivors became fat. What are you basing your research on please?

[DonaldStott]

Oh yes and at the nutritionist advising we get or facts from google.

[myyoyo]

The only way to lose weight is to eat less and exercise more. That's all there is to it.
Anything else is bullshit.

[NightNightBadger19962]

Or maybe, having adapted in different ways, different people's bodies do different things in a complex interaction of resources, eating, appetite, sensory stimulation, activity and metabolism.

[QuintessentialShadow]

I think belsen survivors did not have the odd cream cake treat, biscuits with sugary tea, juice with their salads, cans of fizzy drink, and other extras that many of us tend to eat in between our meals....

There is a difference between starving yourself big chunks of the day and overeating to compensate, and NOT eating at all.

[Frouby]

I go to sw. Been going since may and lost 2 stone. But I don't stay for the meetings as it is mostly shite. I follow the plan probably about 80% of the time.

But if followed it 100% of the time and followed all the rules like have breakfast, snack on fruit and have 3 full meals a day I wouldn't lose weight.

I never have breakfast other than coffee. If I do I eat a full lunch. If I skip breakfast I might not eat until 2pm. And then eat less in the evening because I am still full from lunch.

But for some people if they miss breakfast they eat a huge lunch because they feel deprived. Then an afternoon snack. Then a main meal. Some people are just hungry in a morning and need to eat.

Lots of people have a carby breakfast though like cereal or toast. It's probably what you are eating rather than the fact you are eating that makes you feel hungry again a couple of hours later.

When I was pg and bfing I needed breakfast though. If I had porridge or an omelette I could last until lunchtime. If I had toast I was hungry by the time jezza came on.

[NightNightBadger19962]

No idea about starvation syndrome by the way.

[Downthepubofcourse]

Surely bloodsugar doesn't yo yo though, that's what insulin does, keeps it constant, and why diabetics have to be careful.

I'm with the starvation is a myth camp. I have dieted for years on and off, when I took on the pub we hardly ate for the first month, we were so busy running around working and weight just dropped off! Starving I was definitely!

[eyelevelgrill]

I also eat more if I have breakfast.

So:

1. Nothing: hungry by 2pm
   
2. Toast/juice: hungry by 10.30
   
3. Porridge/egg: hungry by 12.30.
   

The amounts don't seem to make any difference.

Does anyone know why this is?

[gwenneh]

Starvation mode? No. Metabolic adaptation? Absolutely exists.

Here's a good piece explaining it, what it is, and why yes, the answer can be eat more (of the right stuff):

www.girlsgonestrong.com/blog/fat-loss/metabolic-damage/

[Unicorn1981]

Not read whole thread but I lost four stone with slimming world (have put some back on!). When they say that I think they mean if you suddenly eat less your body burns less. Then when you eat again your body stores it in a kind of panic mode. You should eat the right things not less altogether.

[JillyTheDependableBoot]

"If I dont eat like this, and let my body go into starvation mode two things happen. 1. My body thinks it is not getting food so it absorbes absolutely everything and store it. 2. I a absolutely starving by dinner time and over eat profusely."

1. matters. 1. is nonsense.
   

If Belsen survivors ended up fat, it would be because, quite understandably, their experience of starvation played havoc with their ability to regulate their food intake.

[QuintessentialShadow]

Jilly, thinking that nonsense has helped me lose 12kg, so I am sticking to it, nonsense or not!

[QuimReaper]

Quint your post sounds like sensible, tailored management of your appetite to prevent overeating, but I don't see that any of what you said has anything to do with Starvation Mode.

I think what a lot of posters are objecting to is the idea that Starvation Mode is a setting your body can slip into and out of in the space of a few hours. I don't know enough about the effects of prolonged famine on metabolism to comment, but if anything, that is what the theory of Starvation Mode refers to, and has no place in a Slimming World meeting.

With regards to the Biggest Loser thing, I thought the real story there was about the after effects of prolonged obesity? (Much like how Starvation mode is about the after effects of prolonged starvation - two sides of the same coin.)

[abigwideworld]

Frouby since when are you supposed to eat three full meals a day and snack on fruit to follow SW? I've been a member for a year and never done any of that. I always stay to meetings too and it's never been mentioned.

If that were the case I'd never be able to follow the plan properly, I'm a new mum to a 2 week old and breastfeeding so three meals a day is a rarity!

[SeaEagleFeather]

The Dutch hunger winter thing


hello HG. quite a lot of babies live with really insufficient nutrition right now. Sorry to derail, but weight loss and associated effects is a general problem

[applesandpears86]

I think the only logic to this is if you starve yourself then are so hungry that you madly binge and eat more than if you had just eaten sensibly. E.g. If you go all day with no food I can see how you might overcompensate at dinner time.

Other than that I think it's crap, I'm mega stressed this week and have barely eaten anything, I've already lost a stone.

[unlucky83]

chchch
pressoffice.kelloggs.co.uk/index.php?s=20295&item=122412
this is some research -but the stuff I read was done in the US -or maybe South America?...it was in a research journal a few years ago - it didn't say 'sponsored by Kelloggs' it was more once you looked at the author and started digging a bit you found the connection. (A bit like the 'fat is the baddy' research and its links to the sugar industry)
Anyway even that research you linked to was done in deprived areas - I quote
106 English primary schools with higher than average numbers of disadvantaged pupils took part in the trial, which was delivered to 8,600 pupils by the charity Magic Breakfast.
where the children are more likely to be hungry anyway - also (as they admit somewhere) the socialisation aspect probably would also impact the children's achievements. And things like the children had more time to 'settle' -chat to their friends etc - before actual lessons started. And it was general attainment in schools with free breakfast clubs...from what I read
I couldn't see that they specified how many children attended the clubs/ate something or what they ate.
(They do say something about the introduction of breakfast clubs in the control schools (during the trial period?) which means breakfast could have more impact than seen in their findings...which makes me a bit )
And what your definition of breakfast is - so a child who gets up at 6 and eats breakfast at 8 vs a child who gets up at 8 and eats a snack at playtime at 10...
I would agree if children (anybody) is hungry they can't concentrate as well. But I don't think we should be encouraging people to eat when they aren't hungry -just 'because' ...

[Antsinpants]

I've had flu bug bastard for two weeks and my appetite ( which was enormous) has disappeared. I've dropped half a stone in a fortnight and find I can survive easily until about 2pm on just tea/coffee. Force myself to eat a healthy lunch (salad, soup, fruit) but no hunger or cupboard raiding in the evening. It flies in the face of everything taught at SW but by fuck it is working for me!!

[OhtoblazeswithElvira]

I had HG throughout my first pregnancy and, once I was out of hospital, medicated and able to eat and drink, I put on about 3 stone in 6 months. In those 6 months I was vomiting several times a day and I never managed to eat a full meal. Weeks would go by where I could only keep down boiled eggs, Weetabix and dry toast - and not huge amounts. I wish someone could explain the whole thing to me

[Murphysgirl]

I linked the WW article for you in your other thread. You should challenge your leader on it, she should know she is talking rubbish. Is she old school?

[Champagneformyrealfriends]

Ohto unless you vomitted immediately after eating your body absorbs calories. Weight gain is energy in vs energy out-it's that simple.

[OhtoblazeswithElvira]

Champagne your digestion slows down during pregnancy. And I could tell exactly what came back up and what stayed down You get a pretty good view of what you are vomiting when your head is down the toilet . Sorry about TMI, this is the reality of HG. I'd be sick first thing in the morning, struggle trough breakfast and then throw every single morsel up as soon as I stood up. I used to worry about the waste of food

This makes me think, when the slimming world people talk about starvation mode, do they mean that you are producing ketones? Isn't that bad for you? Just thought about this as high ketones is one of the criteria for hospital admission with HG.

[Bluntness100]

I also don't do breakfast, I kinda do brunch, so I don't really do lunch either. And then evening meal.

If I have a breakfast, I still want lunch and thus I eat an extra meal a day, so brunch better.

I also always wondered about this starvation mode thing, it seems to make little logical sense, too many long term anorexics coupled with the awful comditions of people who have been starved through war. Not a single one of them were fat because they had a medical condition, low metabolism or were in starvation mode.

It must be one of the most easiest disproven things to say to someone on a diet. 🙄

[deffonamechange]

I am original poster! I have eaten way less than 1000cals a day..I have run 24 miles, swam 180 lengths and cycled for 2 hours over the week. I don't have periods and I have put 0.5lbs on! !! I am starving and tired ALL the time.

I am absolutely baffled why it's not working..I couldn't be trying any harder with the calories in v calories out!

(The exercise is my normal routine but my less than 1000cals is new to me )